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KingLizard

01-09-2006, 03:05 AM Post subject: Paid for another lesson ... feedback is appreciated

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Okay ... this is another "losing" hand that cost me ... did I just get beat by better cards or could I have seen this one coming?

Seat 2: large_sack ($5.75 in chips)
Seat 3: LeadSledDog (3,3) ($16.65 in chips)
Seat 4: knapnick ($24.65 in chips)
Seat 5: LikeToCall ($40.35 in chips)
Seat 6: bstallion ($21 in chips)
Seat 7: Chuck_rocks ($1 in chips)
Seat 8: jkeene ($32.40 in chips)
Seat 9: Trooper22 ($15.35 in chips)
Seat 10: texabb ($2.25 in chips)

ANTES/BLINDS
Trooper22 posts blind ($0.25), texabb posts blind ($0.25).

PRE-FLOP
large_sack folds, LeadSledDog calls $0.25, knapnick calls $0.25, LikeToCall folds, bstallion folds, Chuck_rocks folds, jkeene calls $0.25, Trooper22 checks, texabb checks.

FLOP [board cards KD,3C,KC ]
Trooper22 checks, texabb checks, LeadSledDog checks, knapnick checks, jkeene bets $1, Trooper22 calls $1, texabb folds, LeadSledDog bets $2, knapnick folds, jkeene calls $1, Trooper22 calls $1.

TURN [board cards KD,3C,KC,4H ]
Trooper22 checks, LeadSledDog bets $3.50, jkeene calls $3.50, Trooper22 calls $3.50.

RIVER [board cards KD,3C,KC,4H,8S ]
Trooper22 checks, LeadSledDog bets $5, jkeene bets $10, Trooper22 calls $9.60 and is all-in, LeadSledDog calls $5.

SHOWDOWN
jkeene shows [ KS,4S ]
Trooper22 mucks cards [ 6H,KH ]
LeadSledDog mucks cards [ 3D,3H ]
jkeene wins $0.80, jkeene wins $46.05.

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01-09-2006, 03:33 AM

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Shit happens?

KingLizard

01-09-2006, 04:19 AM

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I can live with "shit happens." Just want to make sure someone else, more experienced than me, would have played the hand the same way. Even as a beginner, I have played enough hands to understand that sometimes you lose. I only hope to learn from my losses.

Murd0c

01-09-2006, 05:36 AM

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First off I think posts like this are supposed to go in the Hand Histories forum. It might have been possible to fold at the end with a reraise and a an all in. I probably wouldn't have been able to get away from this hand either. Someone was probably bound to have either higher trips from the turn or river, or like it happened with the kings full of whatever. But by the end you were pretty much pot committed far as I could tell.

But then again I'm a beginner too so what the hell do I know

Currently at UB playing $50 NLHE 6max.
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Pelion

01-09-2006, 05:48 AM

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On that board they have a maximum of 6 outs between them so i dont think you need to rush it. I bet out the flop expecting the K to at least call me or maybe reraise. A checkraise shows too much strength IMO even if you did just min raise it. make it $2-$3 yourself and expect a call. It wont stop you losing your stack here but i think it will get you more value when they just have trips.

gabe: Ive dropped almost 100k in the past 35 days.

bigspenda73: But how much did you win?

TLR

01-09-2006, 07:30 AM

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Bet the flop, there are 2 of the same suite on board, and you dont want to give anybody a free card.
If someone has a K he will call or raise you, and if not you will not get any actin anyhow.
On the river you are likely beat, but I would call anyhow,

Pelion

01-09-2006, 07:42 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by TLR

didnt see the flush draw. they could have way more outs than 6

gabe: Ive dropped almost 100k in the past 35 days.

bigspenda73: But how much did you win?

DoGGz

01-09-2006, 08:17 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Pelion

Quote:

Originally Posted by TLR

didnt see the flush draw. they could have way more outs than 6

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TLR

01-09-2006, 08:45 AM

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Yep. dont know what I was thinking, read it before my morning coffee

Irisheyes

01-09-2006, 08:46 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Pelion

Quote:

Originally Posted by TLR

didnt see the flush draw. they could have way more outs than 6

lol, he flopped a FH.

Played fine IMO. Nothing you can do about this.

Keep your stack topped up so you can make the most when these situations work out.

Pelion

01-09-2006, 10:17 AM

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yea i knew i wrote it right the first time lol. Not exactly thinking straight right now. Been up all night working. its 11.15am and i still havnt been to sleep

gabe: Ive dropped almost 100k in the past 35 days.

bigspenda73: But how much did you win?

Berksmickey

01-09-2006, 04:01 PM

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I am also a beginner, but here is my thoughts anyhow.

Playing with 33 is ok to a point, and i agree its worth pushing with $3ish after the flop but any re-raises / aggression from anyone else at this stage would make me think.

Someone would (probably) only re-raise if they had the other K (maybe both), or another PP, and there is only 1 other PP lower than mine which makes me wonder if its likely someone will improve their hand on the Turn + / or River.

Unless you hold the Higher trips of a Full house (in your example it would have been K3 / K4 etc) then i don't think i would be willing to go AI as i would be too wary of someone having the higher FH (this happened to me a lot in the beginning, but not so much now).

Either way, and sorry if this doesn't make much sense, i don't think you should annoyed at yourself, but there a couple of things you could have improved on (betting stronger, earlier for example).

Hope that helps

swiggidy

01-09-2006, 05:17 PM

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Don't be results oriented (that's why you're not supposed to post the results of the hand, or at least white them out).

Could you have asked for a better flop? You want K high to put all his chips in (which K6 did w/ out the boat and almost any Kx beats him). 10% of the time they're gonna catch their higher boat, hence "shit happens".

Also, I would not say you got beat by a better hand. Why is he playing K4 from EP? He almost succeeded in giving his chips away.

KingLizard

01-09-2006, 05:37 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by swiggidy

Also, I would not say you got beat by a better hand. Why is he playing K4 from EP? He almost succeeded in giving his chips away.

Many thanks to all. This last comment is the one that I thought about the most. I had flopped a boat, figured no one would be hanging with K and lousy kicker (read my previous post about doing the same thing a couple of days earlier with Q 3 and losing to Q 7 on trips). And if they did, they'd be playing trip Ks against my boat. Anyway, I'm over it and just trying to learn how and when to get out of a hand or when to bet harder to put others on a decision.

All in time.

chardrian

01-09-2006, 06:08 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by LeadSledDog

Anyway, I'm over it and just trying to learn how and when to get out of a hand or when to bet harder to put others on a decision.

All in time.

You played it fine. Although a minraise in general is usually a bad idea because it so often gives your opp the pot odds to call and then will destack you when they hit, in this case you never gave your opps the correct odds to chase. By the time you min raised you are now giving your opponents at least 5:1 odds to call - i.e. it's just one more buck into a pot that now has $5 (and by the time Trooper called it was 6:1 for him). Usually laying this type of odds is horrible, but in this case the best they could reasonably have is the K since the flush can't beat you so they only have 4 outs for the turn (somewhere around 11:1) and even if he doesn't hit then he will have 7 outs for the river (somewhere around 6:1).

The bummer of your flop bet wasn't pot odds, it was implied odds. I.e. it was very worth it for both of your opps to chase down their low percentage boats because you were going to pay off your whole stack if they hit... and this is exactly what happened.

In the end though this is just one of those hands that happens sometimes. Suck it up and move on.

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