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Old 01-26-2006, 10:47 PM     Post subject: Overplaying trips, scared of the flush?? #1 (permalink)  

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Did I overplay the trip 5s? I was scared for the flush draw and minraised, causing him to fold. Should I smooth call next time?

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Preflop: Hero is BB with A, 5. SB posts a blind of $0.50.
3 folds, MP1 raises to $3, 3 folds, Button calls $3, 1 fold, Hero calls $2.

Flop: ($9.50) Q, 5, 5 (3 players)
Hero checks, MP1 bets $7, Button folds, Hero raises to $14, MP1 folds.

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Old 01-27-2006, 12:01 AM #2 (permalink)  
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I think he has a Q most of the time here. He PFR and bet out on the flop so the only semi-likely flush draws are AKs, AJs. Having said that, if you call and he has overcards he is pretty unlikely to bet into you on the turn with a Q there. If you minraise him and he has AQ, KK, AA he probably raises again to find out where he is (or at least calls) so the minraise probably works out +EV. If he has overcards then call, check call/bet might work but Id go with the raise. I think you can rep a Q by raising the flop, whereas the flop-call, turn-raise line betrays alot of strength (especially if the flush card comes on the turn and he decides you were on the draw).

I think I play it like you did but im not scared of the flush draw. I just want more value from a real hand.
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I think he has a Q most of the time here. He PFR and bet out on the flop so the only semi-likely flush draws are AKs, AJs. Having said that, if you call and he has overcards he is pretty unlikely to bet into you on the turn with a Q there. If you minraise him and he has AQ, KK, AA he probably raises again to find out where he is (or at least calls) so the minraise probably works out +EV. If he has overcards then call, check call/bet might work but Id go with the raise. I think you can rep a Q by raising the flop, whereas the flop-call, turn-raise line betrays alot of strength (especially if the flush card comes on the turn and he decides you were on the draw).

I think I play it like you did but im not scared of the flush draw. I just want more value from a real hand.
For someone playing 10NL whose advice "isn't worth shit", that's pretty well put. I reckon you can at least take on 25NL
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Rep the Q or flush draw and bet the flop. Hope for AQ/KQ/AA/KK/5x. Check-raising makes life easy for Villain. You'll lose a cbet though..
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why wud opp bet so much on that flop?
probably coz hes scared/bluffing.
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Old 01-27-2006, 05:06 PM #7 (permalink)  
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 Let's assume he is on his flush draw, and is a 30% favorite to win (not 36% because you your outs on a full house). Let's also add into the equation of a heads up or 3-way scenerio like this one where you hold 88 and flop comes 5s 8s Ks, and assume that one of your opponents hold the As.

Now, the way I play these hands is this: Aggressive. This is why: My first goal in Texas Hold'em is to find out when I am ahead by a good % margin, ASAP. When I am confident that I am leading in these numbers, I will hammer my opponents hard. It is a much more difficult decision about whether to stay in the hand or not when you opponent bets 1/4 pot when a 4th spade hits on the turn, or diamond in your case.

Find the easy decisions, and push them as hard as possible.

I came up with the 88 example from a heads up example in a live game lastnight, I pushed all in. I'd much rather win the flop pot than lose a river or turned pot.


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I think he has a Q most of the time here. He PFR and bet out on the flop so the only semi-likely flush draws are AKs, AJs. Having said that, if you call and he has overcards he is pretty unlikely to bet into you on the turn with a Q there. If you minraise him and he has AQ, KK, AA he probably raises again to find out where he is (or at least calls) so the minraise probably works out +EV. If he has overcards then call, check call/bet might work but Id go with the raise. I think you can rep a Q by raising the flop, whereas the flop-call, turn-raise line betrays alot of strength (especially if the flush card comes on the turn and he decides you were on the draw).

I think I play it like you did but im not scared of the flush draw. I just want more value from a real hand.
For someone playing 10NL whose advice "isn't worth shit", that's pretty well put. I reckon you can at least take on 25NL
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