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Peja
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08-19-2005, 10:51 PM
Post subject: Overpair Fear
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Join Date: Jun 2005
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WHen i have a pair like 10's or Jacks preflop and raise it and get a few callers, if the flop is all undercards, but somoene bets hard, i always fear someone protecting trips against flush draw, or an overpair. What is the probability that smeone has an overpair when i hold a high pair like J's or 10's and what should I do?
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k8s
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Chances are QQ-AA will re-raise preflop. A set is always possible so try to figure out whether they have it by raising them when they bet, then if they come over top of you, you're probably beat.
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Irisheyes
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by k8s
Chances are QQ-AA will re-raise preflop. A set is always possible so try to figure out whether they have it by raising them when they bet, then if they come over top of you, you're probably beat.
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Would a set not just smooth call your raise?
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dsaxton
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by Irisheyes
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Originally Posted by k8s
Chances are QQ-AA will re-raise preflop. A set is always possible so try to figure out whether they have it by raising them when they bet, then if they come over top of you, you're probably beat.
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Would a set not just smooth call your raise? |
Possibly. That's why you should be suspicious whenever the person doesn't fold.
The difficulty here is that this line of betting from an opponent is identical to that of a semi-bluff. This means that on the subsequent betting round you have to choose between betting huge to protect the pot against a draw and risk losing a big pot to a set, or hedge against losing a lot to a set while potentially giving a discounted card to a drawing hand.
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studboyjoe
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If I think a player is weak and will fold to a reraise (especially if they have done it before), I reraise at least 3x if I'm in decent shape stack-wise, regardless of what I originally limped with. They fold often enough that it is worth it, in my opinion, but you have to pull this move on the right type of player.
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a500lbgorilla
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This is something that happens to me too.
it's an 4 63 flop and raised preflop, someone who wasn't the PFR pots the flop. All I'm ahead of is a semibluff which should be checking raising or 77-99 and there are a lot of turn cards that do me dirty including all 7s, possibly 8s, Js-As, All spades.
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You mean the revolver, sir?
Precisely.
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jmontis
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A good peice of advice is to be weak tight on uniform boards... all you have is a pair, and the turn/river could easily break you.
You also gotta think why someone would re-raise you 3x on a T72 board KNOWING you raised coming in, this is a crucial moment that seperates winners from losers.
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take your ego out of the equation and judge the situation dispassionately
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Peja
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Join Date: Jun 2005
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What if they raise when they are first to act. It could mean they are betting overcards to protect them from a draw or a semi bluff of sorts in which case you are well ahead in the hand.
I was involved in 2 big pots with JJ. Both were all undercards, but when i got reraised on the flop from my utg bet, i became suspicious. I folded after the flop after i made a raise, and he reraised. He showed KK.
ANother time however, soemone played it the same way after the flop except, he didnt reraise before the flop. I still opted to lay it down to be safe...He showed TT.
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