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littleogre
Old 02-04-2010, 12:24 AM     Post subject: over pair versus flop reraise on wet board. #1 (permalink)  

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 ok no real stats on villain but over 30 hands he has a call pfr rate of 12 percent. I think it is weighted towards pairs and SC cards though.

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B4 ($2)
B3 ($1.46)
B2 ($4.99)
B1 ($2.57)
BN ($0.81)
SB ($1.58)
Hero ($2.52)
B6 ($4.14)
B5 ($1.78)

BN is the button.

Precards:
SB posts the small blind $0.01, Hero posts the big blind $0.02.

Preflop: Hero is dealt Q Q (9 active)
B6 calls $0.02, 6 folds, SB calls $0.01, Hero bets $0.09, B6 calls $0.09, SB folds.

Flop: 6 7 2 ($0.24, 2 active)
Hero bets $0.24, B6 raises to $0.48

Ok the c-bet seems fairly standard. Once he re raises i put him on over pairs or better and flush and str8 draws. whats the play call or 3-bet?
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Old 02-04-2010, 12:47 AM #2 (permalink)  
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Easy 3bet for mine here. I 3bet to $2 and try to get it in.

We can heavily discount AA and KK from villians range on the basis that he limp/calls preflop. Definitely smells like PP's or SC's.

I dont have stove at work but imagine we easily have enough equity against {AA-88, 77, 66, 22, draws, some unpaired broadways}. If villian has 66, 77, 22, slowplayed AA-KK, unlucky.
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Old 02-04-2010, 01:25 AM #3 (permalink)  
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I 3bet to $2
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Old 02-04-2010, 04:54 AM #4 (permalink)  
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Easy 3bet for mine here. I 3bet to $2 and try to get it in.

We can heavily discount AA and KK from villians range on the basis that he limp/calls preflop. Definitely smells like PP's or SC's.

I dont have stove at work but imagine we easily have enough equity against {AA-88, 77, 66, 22, draws, some unpaired broadways}. If villian has 66, 77, 22, slowplayed AA-KK, unlucky.
why?
what's villain's calling range if we shove?

-> op, this is a difficult spot. I prefer calling, in some games it's a fold and others it's a shove. He doesn't really have a draw here that often
don't raise with the straight flush bro, nobody ever gonna call that shit
allin, reload, repeat

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Old 02-04-2010, 04:55 AM #5 (permalink)  

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 well our eq on the flop is 50.9 percent. If we say villain called our raise with pairs suited connectors some suited aces. I think it would be more accurate to remove AA and KK though and add more suited aces. The second part of my estimated read is villain has either an over pair or better or a oesd/flushdraw or a combo draw.. I used sev as it lets you filter for more detail. However the registered version is over 100 smackers so i only have the trial version which limits the tree size. So i don't think i can find the eq of c-calling to the river.
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Old 02-04-2010, 04:58 AM #6 (permalink)  

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 by the way i called. I felt that i was in a situation where i am slightly infront of a lot of his range but crushed by a good portion of it
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Easy 3bet for mine here. I 3bet to $2 and try to get it in.

We can heavily discount AA and KK from villians range on the basis that he limp/calls preflop. Definitely smells like PP's or SC's.

I dont have stove at work but imagine we easily have enough equity against {AA-88, 77, 66, 22, draws, some unpaired broadways}. If villian has 66, 77, 22, slowplayed AA-KK, unlucky.
why?
what's villain's calling range if we shove?

-> op, this is a difficult spot. I prefer calling, in some games it's a fold and others it's a shove. He doesn't really have a draw here that often
I know your ? wasn't really for me but if my raising range for villain is accurate. which it may not be as i don't even have 100 hands on him. Then i think he calls our shove with most of his raising range. He certainty isn't gonna fold a set or 2 pair and i doubt he folds an over pair. He may or may not fold a draw depending just how donkified he actually is.
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 i can't check for calling down. cuts me off at the turn.
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I used sev as it lets you filter for more detail. However the registered version is over 100 smackers so i only have the trial version which limits the tree size. So i don't think i can find the eq of c-calling to the river.
pokerstove is free, use that
don't raise with the straight flush bro, nobody ever gonna call that shit
allin, reload, repeat

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Old 02-04-2010, 02:24 PM #10 (permalink)  
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 Raise more preflop, say to around $0.12-0.14.

You have two choices. Either you're deciding that you're okay with stacking off, or you fold right here. If you decide to stack off, you can either call and get it in on a later street, or 3-bet with the intent of stacking off here.

Calling has some significant disadvantages like giving Villain a chance at a free card play and letting scare cards come can will kill our action against hands we beat.

We're usually ahead of his stacking-off range (a little bit of fuzziness here since we don't have solid reads or a larger sample for stats), so it would seem like it's time to get it in. I'd 3-bet to some amount that would give him incorrect implied odds to call with 12 outs, whatever that amount happens to be.
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Old 02-04-2010, 10:49 PM #11 (permalink)  
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Easy 3bet for mine here. I 3bet to $2 and try to get it in.

We can heavily discount AA and KK from villians range on the basis that he limp/calls preflop. Definitely smells like PP's or SC's.

I dont have stove at work but imagine we easily have enough equity against {AA-88, 77, 66, 22, draws, some unpaired broadways}. If villian has 66, 77, 22, slowplayed AA-KK, unlucky.
why?
what's villain's calling range if we shove?

-> op, this is a difficult spot. I prefer calling, in some games it's a fold and others it's a shove. He doesn't really have a draw here that often
Based on my experience at $2NL, your beaten occasionally here, but your also seeing a whole heap of shit a whole lot of the time.
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Old 02-05-2010, 04:22 AM #12 (permalink)  

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 ok in the end this hand cost me a lot. The river was a 4th flush card and villain made a huge over bet. I intended to fold but before doing so i felt the need to let villain know he had a flush or better. So i typed in nice flush or boat. Sadly for me I forgot i was my hotkey for calling
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