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apunisher
Old 06-02-2006, 03:33 AM     Post subject: Over pair on flop facing scary turn card... #1 (permalink)  
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When i raise preflop, i usually do cbet the flop at least 75% of the time.
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Hand 1

***** Hand History for Game 4419238057 *****
$50 NL Texas Hold'em - Thursday, June 01, 23:12:14 ET 2006
Table Table 95860 (No DP) (Real Money)
Seat 5 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 4: Scarface33C ( $131.02 )
Seat 9: Chuhu ( $132.53 )
Seat 8: AATrain01 ( $79.79 )
Seat 7: speckster111 ( $55.78 )
Seat 2: RazorR ( $49.25 )
Seat 1: fubar13111 ( $24.38 )
Seat 5: THEMANS ( $7.04 )
Seat 6: Joe__Cool ( $91.75 )
Seat 3: dzsairosz ( $49.50 )
Seat 10: bigdsquare ( $50 )
Joe__Cool posts small blind [$0.25].
speckster111 posts big blind [$0.50].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to AATrain01 [ Qh Qd ]
AATrain01 raises [$2].
Chuhu folds.
fubar13111 folds.
RazorR calls [$2].
dzsairosz folds.
Scarface33C folds.
THEMANS folds.
Joe__Cool folds.
speckster111 folds.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 3c, Jd, 3s ]
AATrain01 bets [$3].
RazorR calls [$3].
** Dealing Turn ** [ Kd ]
AATrain01 checks.
RazorR bets [$5].
AATrain01 calls [$5].
** Dealing River ** [ Js ]
>You have options at Table 96193 Table!.
AATrain01 checks.
>You have options at Table 97135 Table!.
RazorR bets [$10].
>You have options at Rottweiler Table!.
AATrain01 folds.
RazorR does not show cards.
RazorR wins $29.75

Hand 2

***** Hand History for Game 4418759224 *****
$50 NL Texas Hold'em - Thursday, June 01, 22:18:34 ET 2006
Table Table 95860 (No DP) (Real Money)
Seat 6 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: crazyvietzzz ( $40.80 )
Seat 3: david42137 ( $76.60 )
Seat 4: Scarface33C ( $106.60 )
Seat 5: paienjinis ( $58.27 )
Seat 9: Chuhu ( $25.85 )
Seat 8: AATrain01 ( $48.90 )
Seat 10: VN617 ( $56.25 )
Seat 2: puddingskin ( $55.20 )
Seat 7: speckster111 ( $48.95 )
Seat 6: anyle8ww ( $79.80 )
speckster111 posts small blind [$0.25].
AATrain01 posts big blind [$0.50].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to AATrain01 [ Ks Kh ]
>You have options at Rottweiler Table!.
Chuhu folds.
VN617 calls [$0.50].
crazyvietzzz folds.
david42137 folds.
>You have options at Table 97135 Table!.
Scarface33C folds.
paienjinis calls [$0.50].
anyle8ww folds.
speckster111 calls [$0.25].
AATrain01 raises [$2].
VN617 calls [$2].
paienjinis folds.
speckster111 folds.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 4d, Td, 3c ]
AATrain01 bets [$4].
VN617 calls [$4].
** Dealing Turn ** [ Ac ]
AATrain01 bets [$6].
VN617 raises [$12].
AATrain01 folds.
VN617 shows [ 4c, 5c ] a pair of fours.
VN617 wins $30.70 from the main pot with a pair of fours.
anyle8ww has left the table.
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Old 06-02-2006, 04:59 AM #2 (permalink)  
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 1 - Leading flop/checking turn is a line I am trying to remove from my game. It seems weak to me IMO. If you aren't beat on the turn, I think you are by the river.

2 - You got pwned! Nah jk, that was a bad card to see. Preflop I make it $3-$3.5 to go, your raise was small for 3 callers. Tough turn to play here.. any reads on him?

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Old 06-02-2006, 12:58 PM #3 (permalink)  
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1 - Leading flop/checking turn is a line I am trying to remove from my game. It seems weak to me IMO. If you aren't beat on the turn, I think you are by the river.

2 - You got pwned! Nah jk, that was a bad card to see. Preflop I make it $3-$3.5 to go, your raise was small for 3 callers. Tough turn to play here.. any reads on him?
Hand 1: I agree that leading flop and checking the turn seems very weak, but what would u recommend, firing again. If so, for how much. And if he raises, what then? Or do u think i should go into check/fold mode?

Hand 2: No real reads, it was pretty soon after i sat down at the table, but i was putting him on a hand like a10 or ax in diamonds. I think calling his raise seems very weak too, even though it was only a reraise. I think my best line other than folding would be to reraise repping ak or something, but that seems very risky, and he would certainly be calling with a10 and possibly with ax diamonds.
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Old 06-02-2006, 01:55 PM #4 (permalink)  
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hand 1 bet the turn

I put him on a jack here and I'm staying with that opinion unless and until he does something to change it

hand 2

raise pre flop a lot more. At my limits I'd do raise 6BB, and at $50NL I'd pump it to $4. Being OOP sux, and I'm going to make them pay to have position on me. If I take it down now, that's fine by me. Remember that the average KK wins 2 Big Bets and here you have that in the pot already

I'd check the turn and call, trying to keep the pot small and if the river is safe check/call again. Reads are also good... you'd like to know it villain is someone who will chase overcards to an 80% pot bet
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