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thizzSantaCruz
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11-10-2006, 04:37 AM
Post subject: over pair against a low board....decision time.
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Here is the scenario. Player just sat down at the table. He seems to be donkish, he bitches and whines on chat for about 5 minutes after his set gets beaten by a flush.
He is on the button, I am on the cutoff. I have pocket 10s and it is folded to me. I raise up to 2 dollars. He calls. Flop comes 4s 4d 5d. I bet 4 and he calls. The turns is a 3c. I bet 7 dollars and villain pushes his stack of 29 at me. What should I do?
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martindcx1e
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what stakes is this? what are both of your stacks?
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Jimmy Mac
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I'd fold and find another seat probably.
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thizzSantaCruz
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what stakes is this? what are both of your stacks?
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It was a .25 .50 blinds. I had 120 something in my stack while villain had a little over 42. He shoved on me. I almost wanted to lay it down but the guy seemed pretty donkish from his chat. I know I should not have used his chat to make a read on him but it just made me think.
What would you guys do in this situation? After I get a couple more responses I will post my decision and my reasonings.
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coolsmoe
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Join Date: Nov 2006
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I would fold, he probably got A4o or some other crap, making the straight or set.
(Disclaimer: only started playing poker 3 weeks ago, so ubernoob here, but trying to learn fast.)
Edit: street changed to straight 
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jiggajake
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Join Date: Aug 2006
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so im assuming calling turned out to be the wrong idea, so im going to go ahead and change my answer to agree with everyone elses...
fold.
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Pelion
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Originally Posted by jiggajake
so im assuming calling turned out to be the wrong idea, so im going to go ahead and change my answer to agree with everyone elses...
fold.
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say what you think and if people disagree you can see if they are convincing enough to change your mind.
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gabe: Ive dropped almost 100k in the past 35 days.
bigspenda73: But how much did you win?
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thizzSantaCruz
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i called and villain had qq. the fact that he was whining for a mojority of the time he was at the table influenced my decision. I thought he was too much of a donk, but I should have realized donks won't shove stacks like that unless they are very aggressive.
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Flopping quads and boats like its my job
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miw210
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Join Date: Oct 2006
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Based on your description of villain's personality, I would probably call as well. Reads are important, too.
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martindcx1e
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going broke with weak overpairs is a no-no. try not to let this happen often.
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yorib
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I'd have thought he had something like 67 instead of an overpair. If anything, I'd have thought from the chat that he's more likely to push with a good hand than a bluff. All you really beat that pushes is a bluff (likely 56).
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Sprayed
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Originally Posted by martindcx1e
going broke with weak overpairs is a no-no. try not to let this happen often.
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Words to live by. You don't know where you are at in thise hand so I wouldn't want to lose too much with just an overpair.
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Halv
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Originally Posted by martindcx1e
going broke with one pair is a no-no. try not to let this happen often.
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FYP. And for the record I don't think anyone stacks off with overpairs as much as I do.
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martindcx1e
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Originally Posted by HalvSame
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Originally Posted by martindcx1e
going broke with one pair is a no-no. try not to let this happen often.
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FYP. And for the record I don't think anyone stacks off with overpairs as much as I do.
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yes, that too. it's just that weak overpairs are so deceiving to their holder sometimes...OMG OVERPAIR $$$!!!
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Wikipedia is the best thing ever. Anyone in the world can write anything they want about any subject. So you know you are getting the best possible information.
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jyms
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i called and villain had qq. the fact that he was whining for a mojority of the time he was at the table influenced my decision. I thought he was too much of a donk, but I should have realized donks won't shove stacks like that unless they are very aggressive.
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Also like to add that even Donks get AA and sets once in a while, If he's a donk, you get your money from him, just wait for a better spot.
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