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bbqsquirrel
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12-13-2006, 11:50 PM
Post subject: Optimal VPIP% at a loose micro-level table?
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Flush
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Vancouver, Canada
Posts: 260
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I don't use any PT software, but I do notice myself playing between 20% and 30% of the hands in other positions and about 50% of the hands in SB.
Are these stats too loose? I typically play at NL25 tables where players/flop is at least in the high 30%s all the way to 50+%. I also notice that most other FTR regulars are running at tighter numbers.
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Vrax
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Full House
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Poland
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For ring it may be too loose.
Nit poker 15/5 style should be enough on those tables however if you want you can open up and play some more big pot hands in good position. Microstakes are generally loose and passive postflop and this allow to value bet more marginal hands and play draws cheaply.
Playing 50% of hands from SB may be too loose too, SB has worst position postflop and lowered price from bargain hunting often doesn't compensate for acting first in all rounds. That appliest mostly for drawing hands like connectors and s00ted's, and marginal KJ'ish hands.
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Beck
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Flush
Join Date: Aug 2006
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way too losse at those tables. when everyone is loose you should be tight, when everyone is tight you could then loosen up and steal
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-Beck
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Pelion
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4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Sep 2005
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by Beck
way too losse at those tables. when everyone is loose you should be tight, when everyone is tight you could then loosen up and steal
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I disagree with this.
When everyone is loose you should play slightly looser than usual with made hands, but much tighter with bluffs. Hands like AT go up in value when you are going to be called down by A2 (especially if they are passive and will let you get a cheap showdown when you are behind).
When everyone is tight you need to play much tighter with made hands. AT wont cut it on an A high flop if you are getting called down. You can be alot looser with bluffs now though since people are way more likely to fold even moderatly strong hands.
As for stats wise I think the best way to start is AJ-AK, and all PPs from all positions. Throw in some limped connecters, suited aces and KQ from late position. Once you get good at those you can open up.
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Beck
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Flush
Join Date: Aug 2006
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I guess I confuse loose with aggresiveness. Generally if everyone is tight, it is much easier to take down pots with aggressive play, folding to strong opposition, if everyone is loose then playing tighter and less aggressive is your answer taking down pots with top pair. It hard to make a fish fold, so I would not be trying to bluff pots too much with em.
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-Beck
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Dave Davis
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3-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Sep 2006
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Loosenes has nothing to do with agressiveness. You can play loose, just seeing a lot of flops, which is in my opinion very good strategy at small stakes because you have great implied odds if you hit. But don't bluff this stakes! In tighter games, I think that you should be more prepared to steal, but fold more often against a raise if you get something like suited connector. In tight games, people will punish you and you won't get implied odds to continue with drawing and they won't pay you off when you hit, but at micro levels, people will usually give you the right odds or at least implied odds to draw so you can take a lot of shots. My point is: you can play loose and make money or you can play tight and lose money. Just find your style and if you play loose, don't fall in love with your hand. (If you play A2s you are not looking for top pair, but flush).
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IowaSkinsFan
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Straight Flush
Join Date: Oct 2004
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Realted to this topic.
In one of sklansky's books he points out that at loose table your PFR should be less, because they are calling anyway. On tight tables your PFR should be higher because you want them to put as much money as possible in when they call.
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bbqsquirrel
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Flush
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Vancouver, Canada
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Last night I decided to play more tightly and was running comfortably at 19-20%. My showdown % was great. One thing I didn't like, however, was how rarely my raises were called. I do notice that I could get away with more stuff, like raising with middle pairs in LP causing everyone else to fold. People just didn't want to get involved in a big pot with me.
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Dave Davis
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3-of-a-Kind
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Good point, Iowa. Just to remind everyone - this has nothing to do with loosenes or VPIP.
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