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Jimmy Mac
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02-02-2006, 02:27 PM
Post subject: One year in poker, rate my stats pls guys.
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Full House
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This is all 10 handed ring games from the last couple of months. Mostly played on the uber loose Pokerroom tables with a little Party Poker thrown in.
My thoughts....
1) I'm winning 
2) I'm a complete tightass.
3) My went to showdown is very low and my W$SD is almost 60% - maybe I am folding some value? I'm winning alot of pots without showdown though, i tend to play my hand fairly aggressive or fold it. No calling down here
4) I think I'm a wuss on the river. Missing a few value bets here for sure - I often check/call the river when maybe I should be bet/folding it. Few players at my level have the balls to raise the river with marginal hands.
5) I could probably nudge my VP$IP and PFR up a touch - I actually have trouble loosening up. I'm going to start raising it up with a few more PP's 'a la Fnord.
Been playing just over a year now, learnt everything I know about NL from this place (Thanx guys). I find AOKrongly's stuff particularly inspiring, I pretty much based my game on his insights.
I intend to move up to 100nl permamently as soon as I get back up to 2k (i have cashed out loads over the last year). Anyone got any thoughts on these stats, anything I can look to improve on ?
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Miffed22001
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amount won $1900
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amount won $1900
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saywhat2
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Good Job what can I say? Hard to argue with success. I just got poker tracker myself so I am just getting used to it. I definitely would not make any major changes to your game. What you have is working. One of the stats I like to keep track of is how much money I am making per hand. Now you have 34000 hands here and this is a good base line. I play at the 100 Nl tables and I have been averaging around 9 cents a hand. You are averaging 5.8 cents a hand. But generally playing at lower levels. I would see if you could add a few more hands to your game. One of the changes I added to my game (After reading Super System, best thing I ever did for my game) was to call raises of 4 to 6 times the BB from the button, cut off seat and blinds with suited connectors. I feel this helped me bring my profits up. Anyway make some small changes and let us know how it goes.
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biondino
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Sweet stats. I just can't play as tightly as you, I just can't, but I love your BB/100 ($100NL is looking very impressive albeit after a minimal number of hands). You must be very hard to play profitbaly against - congratulations!
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Miffed22001
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Sweet stats. I just can't play as tightly as you, I just can't, but I love your BB/100 ($100NL is looking very impressive albeit after a minimal number of hands). You must be very hard to play profitbaly against - congratulations!
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bluff teh_rock
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saywhat2
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Sweet stats. I just can't play as tightly as you, I just can't, but I love your BB/100 ($100NL is looking very impressive albeit after a minimal number of hands). You must be very hard to play profitbaly against - congratulations!
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WHAT?
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SonOfAkira
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Sweet stats. I just can't play as tightly as you, I just can't, but I love your BB/100 ($100NL is looking very impressive albeit after a minimal number of hands). You must be very hard to play profitbaly against - congratulations!
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Bluff the tight rock player to play profitably against him.
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Chicago_Kid
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JImmy...nice work! You've had a good year. Thoughts:
- I like the discipline; at these levels, you can usually play ubertight and still kill the dead money.
- I like the aggression; esp. on the flop.
- You should be raising more, exp. at that VPIP level. E.g., open raise more pre-flop.
- Value bet more on the river; even if you are only 50/50, just throw a little bet out there more often. At low levels worse hands will call very often, exp. passive callers, and this will add up.
- You do need to loosen up a bit and look to TAKE pots, rather than earning everything (if you aren't already). I was the same way when I started, but I slowly started to loosen up only in late position, mainly the button in multiway pots. First of all, if you hit, lots of action might build the pot before you pop it. Second, if the table shows weakness, you can steal with a strong bet....easy money, esp, since you are tight to begin with. As you move up, you'll have to vary your play to nail the really aware players.
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Jimmy Mac
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Thanks for the feedback guys! Missing value on the river is definitly a leak for me, especially when I'm first to act. I need to work on this. I'm looking to add some hands in late position too. I like to open raise a fairly wide range from CO & button, but the tables I play on are so loose I rarely get the chance as half the table will have limped in
I was reading Mike Caro's chaper in SS2 last night, and one of his tips is that one pro could play twice as many hands as another and both could make the same profit. The point being that there are a few hands in holdem that are massively +EV, and then a load that are marginal and even with skilled play may only be slight winners. The main reason for adding many of these hands is not the EV of the hands themselves, but the effect on your table image/shania. However, the tables I'm playing on, it's clear that my opps neither know nor care what I'm doing - they give me loose action regardless.
That said, I am trying to expand my game and improve, looking to add some hands in late position, but I don't want to make any drastic changes too quickly.
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arkana
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You only played about 35k hands in a year? You need to play more if possible. Do you multitable?
Also it seems like you are only pushing big edges, thats why your won $ at showdown is so high. This means that you are giving up on some +EV situations to decrease your variance. Unfortunately this also decreases your overall win rate (not that yours isnt good, but it could be better).
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Jimmy Mac
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You only played about 35k hands in a year? You need to play more if possible. Do you multitable?
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These are from the last couple of months. I play 3-4 tables.
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Also it seems like you are only pushing big edges, thats why your won $ at showdown is so high. This means that you are giving up on some +EV situations to decrease your variance. Unfortunately this also decreases your overall win rate (not that yours isnt good, but it could be better.
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This is true, I'm sure I'm folding away a little value here and there, particulary out of position. I do tend to 'play it safe', especially when I'm not `feeling it`/ playing my A game. I think a healthy level of caution is good as a beginner, but i def want to expand my game a little and look to improve.
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arkana
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As you gain more experience you will start to feel more comfortable in marginal situations, play some 6max and you will be forced to make tougher decisions all the time.
I see you live in Reading, Im from London. You play any live games?
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Jimmy Mac
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As you gain more experience you will start to feel more comfortable in marginal situations, play some 6max and you will be forced to make tougher decisions all the time. ?
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Every time i've tried 6-max I've got porked, trying to play like King Kong. You have to show those bastards at PS 25 a hand . I'll give it another go I think. I'm just more comfortable in full ring.
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I see you live in Reading, Im from London. You play any live games?
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I've never played a proper live game. There's a Grosvenor casino about 5 mins from my house, but they only offer video poker at the moment. I'd love to give it a go, maybe try some limit first, just to get the 'feel'. I'm sure I'd be shaking like a leaf the first time I played. Need to get some Moneymaker shades as well
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arkana
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Hahah no you don't need the shades, Im playing the £10 rebuy at Gutshot tonight. Then a home game on saturday so its a big pokah weekend
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Miffed22001
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I've never played a proper live game. There's a Grosvenor casino about 5 mins from my house, but they only offer video poker at the moment. I'd love to give it a go, maybe try some limit first, just to get the 'feel'. I'm sure I'd be shaking like a leaf the first time I played. Need to get some Moneymaker shades as well
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Hahah no you don't need the shades, Im playing the £10 rebuy at Gutshot tonight. Then a home game on saturday so its a big pokah weekend
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This northerner will come kick some southern ass
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Jimmy Mac
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haha. I'm from oop north originally. I was in Doncaster over Christmas to see my folks. Only place in England shell suits are still in fashion
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jailhousejoe
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Is the £10 rebuy game at the gutshot any good arkana? The nearest regular public games near me at the Owlerton in Sheffield, but you have no chance unless you are willing to part with at least 10 reloads. btw Jimmy_Mac - nice stats - the only one i disapprove is the 2 times you check-raised after raising pre-flop - however thats the subject of an ethics in poker thread i think. :P
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arkana
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Is the £10 rebuy game at the gutshot any good arkana? :P
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Its a lot of fun, game is very loose. I would say that you need to be willing to spend at least £50.
From http://www.gutshot.com/cardclub/card_structure.php:
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£10 Re-Buy TOURNAMENT
This is one of our most popular tournaments and certainly one of the best for value. The buy in is £10 for which you receive 500 chips. There is a re-buy period of one hour from the start of the tournament where you can buy a further 500 chips for £10 if your stack falls below 250 chips. At the end of the re-buy period all players have the option, no matter how many chips they have, to top-up their stack with a further 500 chips for £10. After that it's a freeze-out situation, lose all your chips and you are out.
The starting blinds in this tournament are 25-25 and progress after a half an hour to 25-50 for a further half an hour. The blinds then increase every twenty minutes on the following basis;
50-100, 100-200, 150-300, 250-500, 350-700, 500-1k, 700-1500, 1k-2k, 1500-3k, 2k-4k, 3k-6k, 5k-10k
The majority of tables in this competition are self dealt with the final table having the services of a dealer.
All money received in entry fees, re-buys and top-ups less 10% service charge is paid out in prizes. The number of prizes is determined by the number of runners.
As with the £5 comps these tournaments tend to be very busy so it is advisable to get to the club at least 45 minutes before the tournament kicks off in order to avoid disappointment.
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jailhousejoe
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Thanks Arkana - have been down once for the loose as a goose pony game - very saddened to see they are suffering legal issues at the moment - but their tournament that night was a very expensive freezeout - the blind scale for the rebuy looks about the same as the Owlerton, where you have to take some more £ as uve mentioned and occaisionally get in there with the worst of it and crack some hands.
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Miffed22001
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Is the £10 rebuy game at the gutshot any good arkana? The nearest regular public games near me at the Owlerton in Sheffield, but you have no chance unless you are willing to part with at least 10 reloads. btw Jimmy_Mac - nice stats - the only one i disapprove is the 2 times you check-raised after raising pre-flop - however thats the subject of an ethics in poker thread i think.
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Explain.
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Im in doncaster so i would go pwn.
Where are you.
Jimmy. try scotland. Shell suits are still teh_fashion :P
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What the hell?Dude I would kill for your results.
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WhooFleuryScores
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That being said though it's good to see you are a winning player despite the low VP$IP;your stats are almost eeriliy similar to mine(although my games are Limit).Not really sure what advice I could offer being that I am in the red and you are in the green.Congrats though I'm happy for you.
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dan
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what the hell? i am being raped by rake when i compare my stats to urs, uve played 3k hands at NL$25 with 70 rake, ive played 1k hands at NL25 and have 70 rake, WTF M8!!
edit: u havnt played 3k hands at nl25 uve played 6k...
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Jimmy Mac
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[quote="dan"]what the hell? i am being raped by rake when i compare my stats to urs, uve played 3k hands at NL$25 with 70 rake, ive played 1k hands at NL25 and have 70 rake, WTF M8!!quote]
I've cleared more money in bonuses from those than I've paid in rake. I don't know how Party afford to keep dishing out those 10x raked hands.
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jailhousejoe
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Explain.
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Im in doncaster so i would go pwn.
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Sounds ideal for a donnyboy! Im in Leeds so its a struggle to get down the M1 and back on a work night. http://www.asleisure.co.uk/casinos/owlerton/promos Its Naps casino, so theres the 24hour pre-registration hassle. Also there is a dress code - smart cas/no trainers (a desperation trip to buy some £8 asda school shoes was required on debut). There are a few decent players, also a lot of sticking it in the middle early on with Q/10 o/s. Very popular, so get there before the start.
Now this might be a bit far - depends how keen, but 3 friends all reached the final table at this regular tourney in Harrogate - they said its really professionally run, Ill go down on a reccy for you if u are interested?http://s12.invisionfree.com/White_Ro...ex.php?act=idx
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I've cleared more money in bonuses from those than I've paid in rake. I don't know how Party afford to keep dishing out those 10x raked hands
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They can't;that's why the number of public reloads offered has gone down and why they are so quick to shut down reloads that leak out.
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Lodogg
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Great stats....Our stats are very similar. Two things that are different:
1.) My aggression factor on the flop is 8.75 (way too high IMO)
2.) My win rate is 3.39 (Might be correlated to #1)
Anyone have any thoughts on my theory about #1?
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WildBobAA
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34K hands is not enough to get an accurate read on your stats.
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Fnord
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34K hands is not enough to get an accurate read on your win-rate.
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Fixed your post.
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Renton
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your stats are almost identical to mine except I am decidedly looser. You might try making more position plays with trash. I doubt you bluff much.
However our bb/100s are nearly identical (around same no. of hands), so my method don't seem to be any better.
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Running g00t is fun!
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Running g00t is fun!
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NH sir....
not bleeding from the SB, haven't heard too many people say they are doing that....
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