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Thunder

10-05-2007, 02:55 AM Post subject: Ok - What's needed?

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Final post before bedtime. 3:47am - sheesh!

What's needed - add ons/software to make me better, to highlight flaws and leaks in my game?

I hear terms like Pahud and PokerTracker and from what I've heard these are just stat machines. When I play on the ipoker network, stats are provided for post/pre flop play, flops seen, % win rate at each stage as well as complete hand history for all the games.

It also seems to work your odds/outs but I do this myself (and have a poker calculator if needed) so I am not sure how useful it would be.

A bit of blurb about it says you can track how many times you played UTG or how many full houses you had. I can't see how this is helpful - but I am new so I am probably wrong.

I also checked my stats on Sharkscope and they didn't help much. It ust charted my success rate. Eg: When I was on a downswing, it illustrated this, but didn't tell me anything I didn't alreadyknow.

Anyway, over to you for some sound advice. I am wary of extra software as I remember Calculatem Pro being hailed as essential and I hardly ever use it.

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jyms

10-05-2007, 03:27 AM

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Everyone here uses PokerTracker. It isn't for just one session it'll track all your sessions. With it we can look at your stats and tell you what you may or may not be doing wrong. Download the trial version, you get 1K hands. Play and then ask how to post them. We will tell you what is needed and then you can decide if you want it. This is the only program you will need until you stop playing poker online, and the Hud.

ps. I have over 200,000 hands in mine that I can use to look at mine and other peoples stats. Thats right other players stats too. Some guys here will have 100K hands on their opponents stats, now that is invaluable. How would you like to look at the biggest winner in your level and see his stats? how he plays UTG and what he does post flop?

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10-05-2007, 04:37 AM

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Advice. Go to the pokertracker website. Download the trial for free. Log your free 1000 hands. Figure out that you want it. Buy it.

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10-05-2007, 07:18 AM

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Assuming you're playing NLHE, I recommend not getting PokerTracker until you're playing 25nl or 50nl. PAHUD overlays the PT stats on your table, but there's free programs to do this also, like GameTime+. You might also want to check out some AHK scripts (AutoHotKey, a Windows macro program) for things like betting the pot with mouse keys, auto-opening tables, auto-reloading, etc., and AHK scripts are free.

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taipan168

10-05-2007, 08:53 AM

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I think I remember seeing from one of your other posts that you play SNGs - if you want to play SNGs seriously, then SNG Wiz or SNGPT (I probably pick Wiz since it has a bit more functionality) is a must.

The other thing about Pokertracker is that you need it for the heads-up display software (Gametime+ or PAHUD) that can display opps' stats on the table as you play.

Thunder

10-05-2007, 01:04 PM

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Once again guys, thx for the advice.

I've been checking out the software and getting overwhelmed! Not only with all the screenshots but each page contains a link to another "must have" tool and I have about 20 windows open, lol!

And this is on top of trying to watch the vids/read the essays/check out the other forums areas!

Taipan, some questions about SNGWiz.

1) I don't mean to sound cynical but it sounds too good to be true and is written in a style very similar to the Calculatem Pro pitch: "figures the odds, makes you a better player, advises you on correct play, earn $$$$". Yet it didn't. The "play" it suggests was based on your cards and not at all with the situation - and as we all know, poker is a game of situations. On top of this, the advice certainly wasn't aggressive orientated but cautious in nature. Anyone who follows it's advice will miss vital opportunities to steal the blinds, squeeze players and bluff. The only aspect I could trust was it's odds calculations but I can do this myself.

So, bearing this in mind, how good/essential is SNGWiz?

2) The blurb says: "you will learn when to push and when to fold" but again, poker is situational and depends on the players at the table & their stacks as much as their M. I'm currently of the belief that you can't bottle this in some programmable formula but can only be based after many hands and experience. We can all read books for poker play but they will always be generic in nature as they aren't sat at your table with your players. Therefore I am wary of any software as it has to miss out the human aspect.

3) I also want to get better and know I am getting better. That's why I learnt odds and outs as I wanted to understand why it's right to make a certain play rather than just do it because the software told me to. Again, will SNGWiz help in this respect?

4) The quiz looks like it could be useful but as stated, there is a big difference between what is the correct play in theory, based on percentages etc, and what is the correct play against real people. Eg: If I am on the bubble and play is tightening up, it can be correct to make a move with Q4os and pick up the blinds. If an opponent is making all in moves to stay alive, then it won't be. Either way, mathematically, in theory, making a move with Q4os is a no no and it is doubtful any quiz would sanction such play - even though it can work. Like all bluffs.

5) And is it just limited to SNGs or can aspects of the knowledge given be transferred to cash play?

6) Going back to doing it yourself. As I am new, I don't know how good you are Taipan, but in using SNGWiz, will you get to a level where you don't need it anymore? After all, you can't take it into the WSOP and my aim is to be able to play on my own, like all good players, and not be reliant on 3rd party applications. Don't get me wrong, I will always use tools in an online setting, but I'd like to become good enough where I can handle myself - and know I am good - rather than only winning because something else is pulling the strings.

I wanna understand and be a good player - not a puppet. I want to be good enough where tools supplement and aid me, rather than be the sole reason I have any success.

7) Last of all, how has it affected and improved your game Taipan, and your winnings?

taipan168

10-07-2007, 12:07 AM

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One thing to note, SNG Wiz is no use unless you're playing 1-table SNGs. It's not applicable for cash games or MTTs.

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