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Old 07-12-2010, 12:03 AM     Post subject: Nut flush on scary board #1 (permalink)  
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Button ($3.04)
SB ($0.83)
BB ($3.57)
Hero (UTG) ($1.72)
UTG+1 ($3.35)
MP1 ($2.73)
MP2 ($0.88)
MP3 ($4.92)
CO ($1.89)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with ,
Hero bets $0.08, UTG+1 calls $0.08, 4 folds, Button calls $0.08, 1 fold, BB calls $0.06

I'm not sure I like seeing the flop multiway from UTG.Does anybody like a larger bet here?Do we want to be multiway here?Any arguments for dropping AQo from UTG?

Flop: ($0.33) , , (4 players)
BB checks, Hero checks, UTG+1 checks, Button checks

Flop brings us the nut flush draw and a str8 draw.Prolly cbet here normally but again multiway UTG...

Turn: ($0.33) (4 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $0.30, UTG+1 calls $0.30, Button calls $0.30, BB calls $0.30

We make our str8 and everybody checked behind us so I'm hoping for value out of sets(thinking that the wet board might be keeping them in check) or flush draws that are gonna be hating life if they hit.Scare factor is possibly a better str8(meh).

River: ($1.53) (4 players)

River brings us a couple huge issues.Any sets filled up and a couple flush draws made straight flushes.So what to do?Do we shove and hope to get called with worse?Check and crying call any bets?Check and toss em in the muck?
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Old 07-12-2010, 12:17 AM #2 (permalink)  
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 Bet bet pot shove raise bet bet raise 3bet bet pot shove raise bet bet bet raise raise bet

Stove our equity against even JJ on the flop. We aint scared of shit. I mean ya, KQ, JJ, TT, 99, JT and such are ahead of us...but we have monster equity, a huge ass draw, and can even get bets from the Ks, the Qs, other Queens, and even some eights sometimes.

So like, just betting and betting and betting is never ever bad here. Hell, you might even make KQ fold by betting.

If we do that, then turn becomes another bet bet bet pot bet raise bet pot street, and by the time the scary river comes we dont have any money left behind to even really care.
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Old 07-12-2010, 12:36 AM #3 (permalink)  
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 Yep...shoulda stoved it first.For some reason pokerstove txt disappeared from my desktop so I can't copy it.But yeah way to much equity to not get aggresive.
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Old 07-12-2010, 12:46 AM #4 (permalink)  
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I'm not sure I like seeing the flop multiway from UTG.Does anybody like a larger bet here?Do we want to be multiway here?Any arguments for dropping AQo from UTG?
I rarely play AQo from UTG, especially when there are a few villains at your table that like calling behind. It is definitely not a multiway hand. AQs, however, should stay in your range because it plays well both HU and multiway.
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 I raised ATo+ and other hands from utg at 2nl with good results.

Dunno if that was a leak or not...i was only there for like 8k hands. But...AQ should for sure always be there.

Why? Think where the money comes from when playing AQ. Now name a leak 2nl players have that supports playing AQ utg. Theres quite a few of them but im thinking of 2 specifically...though im sure there are several others.
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 Also also, 4x is a standard betsize. We can probably get away with raising larger overall at 2nl just because people arent 3betting us without like QQ+, AK and because theyre probably calling with the same range...but you probably cant get away with this as you get higher.

As to preferring being hu or mw, hu for sure...but you cant really control that anyway so its not something i worry about. It certainly changes my plan postflop...but its not something that drives my preflop action.
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I rarely play AQo from UTG, especially when there are a few villains at your table that like calling behind. It is definitely not a multiway hand. AQs, however, should stay in your range because it plays well both HU and multiway.
Sorry for highjacking thread but opening AQo from UTG is good in pretty much every game i've ever played in evereverever
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I raised ATo+ and other hands from utg at 2nl with good results.

Dunno if that was a leak or not...i was only there for like 8k hands. But...AQ should for sure always be there.

Why? Think where the money comes from when playing AQ. Now name a leak 2nl players have that supports playing AQ utg. Theres quite a few of them but im thinking of 2 specifically...though im sure there are several others.
Maybe I play too nitty from UTG. For that matter, ATo isn't in my opening range until HJ, maybe one seat earlier if the players to my left are very tight.

To answer your quiz questions: With AQo you're hoping for top pair. The two leaks are: 1) they call too often with marginal hands and 2) they call too often with draws. Am I close here?
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 Also food for thought, if you only played profitable hands UTG(This should be the case @ 2NL obviously) your hands wouldn't be as profitable if you had marginal hands in your opening range. IE player who opens only AA. Everyone knows this so everyone folds, he makes 1.5bb/hand w/ AA which is fine and dandy but think of a villain who plays his 72 exactly like his AA(Obviously not a profitable strategy but good for arguments sake). His AA now becomes VERY VERY profitable since his opponents will be happy to play against someone with 16 combinations of 72 and just 6 combinations of aces.
FFS don't go start opening 72 UTG cause it adds value to your AA. It's just something to think about.
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AQ should for sure always be there.

Why? Think where the money comes from when playing AQ. Now name a leak 2nl players have that supports playing AQ utg. Theres quite a few of them but im thinking of 2 specifically...though im sure there are several others.
I think the 2 biggest leaks @ 2nl are that people call to much w/maginal hands fold to much when they have the equity but don't know it.Playing AQ works because we have a ton of equity on wet boards like the one above and we have a ton of fold equity on dry boards.

Waiting impatiently to hear your two specifics.
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Any arguments for dropping AQo from UTG?
opening AQ utg in Full Ring micros - my reasoning now added
see the post 19/12
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 NH daven.

For those that are curious, i was thinking specifically of #3 and 6 that he listed, but obviously all the other reasons he listed are important too.
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