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Old 07-09-2008, 03:36 AM     Post subject: nut flush draw #1 (permalink)  
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had A7 of diamonds, in BB, hit 2 diamonds on flop, guy raised 2.50$, i only had 2$ anyways, should i have called....
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Old 07-09-2008, 03:51 AM #2 (permalink)  
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 how much was in the pot? how exactly did preflop go? any reads? what was the flop?
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Old 07-09-2008, 04:23 AM #3 (permalink)  
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hm i watched the replay and it was a bad move, very lucky i won it...glad i watched it the hand again, it helped me determine my own answer, bad call!!!!!! lol lucky i won
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Old 07-09-2008, 04:32 AM #4 (permalink)  
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 haha self evaluation is very underrated. Remember that.
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Old 07-09-2008, 06:53 PM #5 (permalink)  
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i will definately keep this in mind, judging your own plays is very helpful ive been doing it for most big hands win/lose....and actually in the last couple of days i have won a lot more then lost, im definately improving and i owe it all to this forum!!

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Old 07-09-2008, 07:40 PM #6 (permalink)  

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Wait... how much was in the pot.... it may not have been a bad play.... you need to understand why it was/wasn't a good play
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Old 07-09-2008, 07:48 PM #7 (permalink)  
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Old 07-09-2008, 08:04 PM #8 (permalink)  
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 Either way it was a bad play. If you got half your stack in preflop it may have been a good call but you screwed preflop up. If you didn't have the odds to call then you screwed post flop up. If your playing $5NL we have even more problems.
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Old 07-10-2008, 12:27 AM #9 (permalink)  
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Again i already know i played this badly, this is just to show you how it went down




$0.05/$0.1 No Limit Holdem
8 players
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Stacks:
UTG REDHATCHET ($4.65)
UTG+1 SHIKO114 ($4.94)
MP1 FTLONG21 ($12.50)
MP2 Hero ($2.81)
CO HUGH_MANN ($6.41)
BTN PATDEL55 ($8.73)
SB BOBBETS ($21.73)
BB __DB__ ($3.17)

Pre-flop: ($0.15, 8 players) Hero is MP2
REDHATCHET calls $0.10, 1 fold, FTLONG21 raises to $0.20, Hero calls $0.20, HUGH_MANN raises to $0.40, 3 folds, REDHATCHET calls $0.30, FTLONG21 calls $0.20, Hero calls $0.20

Flop: ($1.75, 4 players)
REDHATCHET checks, FTLONG21 bets $1.75, Hero calls $1.75, HUGH_MANN raises to $3.50, REDHATCHET folds, FTLONG21 calls $1.75, Hero goes all-in $0.66

Turn: ($11.16, 3 players)
FTLONG21 checks, HUGH_MANN goes all-in $2.51, FTLONG21 calls $2.51

River: ($16.18, 3 players)
FTLONG21 shows:
Hero shows:
HUGH_MANN shows:

FTLONG21 wins $6.85 ( won +$0.44 )
Hero wins $8.53 ( won +$5.72 )
REDHATCHET lost -$0.40
HUGH_MANN lost -$6.41
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Old 07-10-2008, 01:41 AM #10 (permalink)  
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 Yeah you played that fairly poorly. First off fold preflop to the guys opening bet. A3s isn't a horrible hand to limp in late position after limpers, but it is fairly often a dominated hand when facing a raise. For instance, if he had a hand such as AJ then you only had 28% to win (because only your 3 card was live). So dump it preflop.

On the flop you don't need to be playing that passively there by just calling a potsized bet. A potsized bet gives you 2:1 pot odds and the chances of catching a flush on the next card is 4:1 so you aren't getting enough. Especially with another guy to act behind you. Easy fold.
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Old 07-10-2008, 04:11 AM #11 (permalink)  
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Originally Posted by XxStacksxX
Especially with another guy to act behind you.
The more likely the players behind us are to call, the better it makes our call.
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Old 07-10-2008, 04:14 AM #12 (permalink)  
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 I wasn't very sure about my statement there. I understand if they are likely to call then that increases our odds. In this case the odds went from 2:1 to 3:1, and we only have a little left behind after our initial flop call (.66c). But if they are likely to raise then wouldn't that screw our odds?
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Old 07-10-2008, 04:34 AM #13 (permalink)  
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I wasn't very sure about my statement there. I understand if they are likely to call then that increases our odds. In this case the odds went from 2:1 to 3:1, and we only have a little left behind after our initial flop call (.66c). But if they are likely to raise then wouldn't that screw our odds?
It does change the odds a bit. Not enough to make it -ev imo. Calling here is basically the same as shoving because we are for sure stacking off unless the pot checks down which would be out of the ordinary to say the least with us having about 1/8 of a psb left.

Let's give both players the range of QQ+,99,77,AKs,K9s+,AKo,K9o+ on this flop. we have 34% of the equity in a three way pot. 38% equity in a hu pot.

We need less than 2:1 to stack off 3 way and about 2:1 exactly to stack off HU.
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