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Thunder
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07-15-2008, 02:11 AM
Post subject: A Numb Question But....
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Flush
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In terms of hand reading, you never know if you're right, unless you go to showdown. So you have no idea if your reads are right. Therefore, as long as you can afford it, would it be worthwhile spewing money to call people to see their cards and whether you're getting accurate?
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smitts187
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Straight
Join Date: Jul 2008
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yo that operation isnt accurate is it lol...?thats kind of a big jump
and personally i wouldnt do it unless i had enough $ and it was low stakes
even then id probably only do it if i hit somewhat of a good hand
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Thunder
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Flush
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Sure it is. Only took me 4 weeks too.
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jyms
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Tilting Mod
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I prefer to look at my winrate to see if I have been correct.
But as for a serious answer to your question, hand reading is not about a single hand. It's about the range of hands and narrowing that range. The narrower you get, the better off you are.
read this
http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...t=isf%20theory
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bjsaust
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Straight Flush
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I have done this occassionally if I just cant work out wtf he has. Not always the best plan though  .
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Just playing to improve.
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TLR
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07-15-2008, 06:36 AM
Post subject: Re: A Numb Question But....
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Originally Posted by Thunder
In terms of hand reading, you never know if you're right, unless you go to showdown. So you have no idea if your reads are right. Therefore, as long as you can afford it, would it be worthwhile spewing money to call people to see their cards and whether you're getting accurate?
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No
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JKDS
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Full House
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just do it while others go to showdown. no cost to you, and u get the same result.
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Originally Posted by OngBonga
But no, jkds is lolvillager and anyone who wants to string him up is sighbad.
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Thunder
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Flush
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just do it while others go to showdown. no cost to you, and u get the same result.
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D'oh!
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a500lbgorilla
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07-15-2008, 12:33 PM
Post subject: Re: A Numb Question But....
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JESUS TAKE THE KEYBOARD
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Originally Posted by Thunder
In terms of hand reading, you never know if you're right, unless you go to showdown. So you have no idea if your reads are right. Therefore, as long as you can afford it, would it be worthwhile spewing money to call people to see their cards and whether you're getting accurate?
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Nope. Because we're never trying to hand read someone for 2 specific cards but instead for a narrow but accurate group of hands which he probably has. So knowing which specific two after the fact doesn't really help us.
Besides, your opponents will take each other to show down and you can get your info for free.
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Smithers, use the amnesia ray.
You mean the revolver, sir?
Precisely.
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oskar
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Occasionally if an opponent makes a really small bet on the river, and I can't for the life of me figure out what he possibly has, I might call with a missed draw just to see how he's thinking. It has to be pretty cheap though.
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The strengh of a hero is defined by the weakness of his villains.
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Thunder
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07-15-2008, 02:50 PM
Post subject: Re: A Numb Question But....
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Flush
Join Date: Oct 2007
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Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla
Nope. Because we're never trying to hand read someone for 2 specific cards but instead for a narrow but accurate group of hands which he probably has. So knowing which specific two after the fact doesn't really help us.
Besides, your opponents will take each other to show down and you can get your info for free.
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I understand about ranges. I was talking about seeing cards to see if you are ranging correctly and that your hunch that he's hit top pair, on a flush draw, has 2 overs, pocket 88 - JJ etc is true.
Watching others for free was something I completely missed! But I did post real late at night, lol!
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No, but I have a better suggestion.
Download some video capture program and load up four tables at your stakes that you're just watching. Record your thoughts on hand ranges on the hands you watch and since a good portion of those hands will go to showdown you can test your hand-reading that way.
The video capture is optional, obviously, but good to go back and look at imo.
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Originally Posted by Ripptyde
I only have 2 simple rules when I am coaching a new student.
Rule # 1: don't ask questions
Rule # 2: don't ask questions
I have no interest in discussing strategy with a protege'. Your job is to remain quiet and listen. I have a very systematic approach that I will share with the right candidate and I promise that I will turn you into a force of nature and show you elements of the game of poker that you never knew existed.
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Thunder
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Flush
Join Date: Oct 2007
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Gr8 idea.
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