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11-10-2008, 11:10 PM
Post subject: NL25 21K hand stats
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spoonitnow
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You probably need to start making the transition towards open limping less and 3-betting in position more. Also, the huge difference between how often you defend your BB and SB is probably something you should look into. Everything else looks fine.
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Originally Posted by Ripptyde
I only have 2 simple rules when I am coaching a new student.
Rule # 1: don't ask questions
Rule # 2: don't ask questions
I have no interest in discussing strategy with a protege'. Your job is to remain quiet and listen. I have a very systematic approach that I will share with the right candidate and I promise that I will turn you into a force of nature and show you elements of the game of poker that you never knew existed.
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I don't open limp, I just call raises with PPs and limp behind suited ace type hands
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If you don't open limp then how is your utg vpip 10.07 but your pfr 7.95?
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Originally Posted by iopq
I don't open limp, I just call raises with PPs and limp behind suited ace type hands
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Yeah and you're lying through your fucking teeth because your UTG VP$IP is 10.07 and your PFR is 7.95. If you don't want to take advice then don't post your stats asking for advice.
Edit: A lot of people have made comments to you about how you never want to take anyone's advice, and you have asked me personally for examples of this, so I'm pointing this out to you as a classic example. I expect you to come back with something like "oh what I meant was, I don't open limp anymore" like you typically do when someone proves you wrong. I don't really care what you do on your own time, but if you're not going to ever take advice that you receive, then stop wasting our time which could be spent on helping people who will actually use the help we give them.
Also, anyone who is like "oh well there goes spoonitnow trolling again" can suck my fucking cock (and no, this isn't pointed towards Xianti).
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Originally Posted by Ripptyde
I only have 2 simple rules when I am coaching a new student.
Rule # 1: don't ask questions
Rule # 2: don't ask questions
I have no interest in discussing strategy with a protege'. Your job is to remain quiet and listen. I have a very systematic approach that I will share with the right candidate and I promise that I will turn you into a force of nature and show you elements of the game of poker that you never knew existed.
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Your quite the NIT. You fold a ton. You fold 75% to flop bets, you go to showdown only 21% and you 3bet less than 4%. You better learn to play poker after the flop or $25NL is all you will see.
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That's exactly what I meant though, in hands played this month I don't have any limps from UTG. I guess I should have posted my last ~15K hands. This is November position stats:
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I feel bad though, because I fucked it up. I feel bad for spoon and I'm sorry for fucking shit up. He tried so hard to look it over. He got so far too. But in the end it didn't even matter.
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Originally Posted by jyms
You fold 75% to flop bets
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Where'd you get that... one number says I cbet flop 75%
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Originally Posted by spoonitnow
I expect you to come back with something like "oh what I meant was, I don't open limp anymore" like you typically do when someone proves you wrong.
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I called it, but whatever. I should have known better in the first place.
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Originally Posted by Ripptyde
I only have 2 simple rules when I am coaching a new student.
Rule # 1: don't ask questions
Rule # 2: don't ask questions
I have no interest in discussing strategy with a protege'. Your job is to remain quiet and listen. I have a very systematic approach that I will share with the right candidate and I promise that I will turn you into a force of nature and show you elements of the game of poker that you never knew existed.
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where's your % put your opponent to a decision for all his chips? what ever it is, judging by some stuff over here, it's suboptimal. also, your sunglasses tint factor is low.
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Smithers, use the amnesia ray.
You mean the revolver, sir?
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I am a troll. rawr!
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Smithers, use the amnesia ray.
You mean the revolver, sir?
Precisely.
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I am an underused resource for poker improvement, rawr.
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Originally Posted by Ripptyde
I only have 2 simple rules when I am coaching a new student.
Rule # 1: don't ask questions
Rule # 2: don't ask questions
I have no interest in discussing strategy with a protege'. Your job is to remain quiet and listen. I have a very systematic approach that I will share with the right candidate and I promise that I will turn you into a force of nature and show you elements of the game of poker that you never knew existed.
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Originally Posted by spoonitnow
I expect you to come back with something like "oh what I meant was, I don't open limp anymore" like you typically do when someone proves you wrong.
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I called it, but whatever. I should have known better in the first place. |
of course "you called it" because that's what I meant
you could have just posted "you mean you don't open limp anymore"
and I could have just replied "you're right, I should have posted more recent stats for this to be more meaningful"
instead it's like "YOU'RE A LIAR, DIE IN A FIRE"
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Originally Posted by spoonitnow
I expect you to come back with something like "oh what I meant was, I don't open limp anymore" like you typically do when someone proves you wrong.
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I called it, but whatever. I should have known better in the first place. |
of course "you called it" because that's what I meant
you could have just posted "you mean you don't open limp anymore"
and I could have just replied "you're right, I should have posted more recent stats for this to be more meaningful"
instead it's like "YOU'RE A LIAR, DIE IN A FIRE" |
I provoked this reaction here on the forum so that I could show you a clear-cut example of what we have talked about time and time again with you. I wanted an example outside of IRC so that this could be talked about with a group of people who will hopefully take it more seriously than just making a bunch of tranny jokes. If you read the following with an open mind, then you will get it. If you don't, then you won't and there is nothing else I can do for you.
I could have posted the bold, but that is not what I meant by any stretch of the imagination. Instead, I was suggesting that the advice given in this thread would follow the pattern that most advice given to you follows:
1. iopq asks for advice on some topic
2. Someone suggests a change that iopq makes
3. iopq makes an excuse as to why he shouldn't make that change, and refuses any real discussion about it
Part 3 here is when we can see a very clear change in how you are approaching the learning process. You go from being rather objective and open to being emotional, defensive, and closed up. If you dissect the growth of someone in any discipline, people in general are most likely to develop this reaction after they have learned a little bit. Josh Waitzkin describes this as "feeling like we have some answers."
Now people (including but certainly not limited to you) can either go on and on about how they think I'm such a troll, or they can actually analyze the situation and try to figure out why #3 above happens so often for you specifically right now when it didn't when you first started.
There are two other cases that are possible for you, and you're the only one who can answer this: either it's something you find yourself doing in other pursuits, or it's not. If it's not something you find yourself doing in other pursuits, then it could be a defensive reaction to how much hell you've caught over your avatars in recent weeks. If it is something you find yourself doing in other pursuits, then it's definitely something you should examine closely because it could easily be holding you back in all aspects of life.
In either case, it's something that is going to be detrimental to your development as a player until you fix it, and is going to annoy the shit out of anyone you try to talk poker with.
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Originally Posted by Ripptyde
I only have 2 simple rules when I am coaching a new student.
Rule # 1: don't ask questions
Rule # 2: don't ask questions
I have no interest in discussing strategy with a protege'. Your job is to remain quiet and listen. I have a very systematic approach that I will share with the right candidate and I promise that I will turn you into a force of nature and show you elements of the game of poker that you never knew existed.
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Fnord
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Stats look reasonable for full ring.
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Actually it went like this:
1. I post stats
2. Spoon tells me to stop limping with PPs UTG
SKIP AHEAD A MONTH
3. I post new stats, but I include my old data
4. Spoon tells me to stop limping with PPs UTG
5. I reply "but I already did"
6. Spoon calls me a liar and that I don't take his advice
I think my november stats prove that I NO LONGER limp UTG
Let's recap:
1. I take your advice
2. You desperately want to prove I never take your advice
3. ???
4. Profit
Is it because you want to have an excuse to call me a lost cause and stop helping me? If it is so, then it is in my own interest to try to convince you otherwise.
Anyway, I'll probably end up re-reading that post later and hopefully glean something from it.
I filtered my stats to show what I was doing from October 10:
as far as went to showdown, I want to know if I'm blowing people off their hand or if I'm folding too much
going through some of my hand histories I found some places where I could fold by filtering for "called river bet and lost"
sometimes I should have folded PF even
but how should I find places where I could have called with a decent hand? obviously villains don't show their hands that often after I fold
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Originally Posted by spoonitnow
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Originally Posted by spoonitnow
I expect you to come back with something like "oh what I meant was, I don't open limp anymore" like you typically do when someone proves you wrong.
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I called it, but whatever. I should have known better in the first place. |
of course "you called it" because that's what I meant
you could have just posted "you mean you don't open limp anymore"
and I could have just replied "you're right, I should have posted more recent stats for this to be more meaningful"
instead it's like "YOU'RE A LIAR, DIE IN A FIRE" |
I provoked this reaction here on the forum so that I could show you a clear-cut example of what we have talked about time and time again with you. I wanted an example outside of IRC so that this could be talked about with a group of people who will hopefully take it more seriously than just making a bunch of tranny jokes. If you read the following with an open mind, then you will get it. If you don't, then you won't and there is nothing else I can do for you.
I could have posted the bold, but that is not what I meant by any stretch of the imagination. Instead, I was suggesting that the advice given in this thread would follow the pattern that most advice given to you follows:
1. iopq asks for advice on some topic
2. Someone suggests a change that iopq makes
3. iopq makes an excuse as to why he shouldn't make that change, and refuses any real discussion about it
Part 3 here is when we can see a very clear change in how you are approaching the learning process. You go from being rather objective and open to being emotional, defensive, and closed up. If you dissect the growth of someone in any discipline, people in general are most likely to develop this reaction after they have learned a little bit. Josh Waitzkin describes this as "feeling like we have some answers."
Now people (including but certainly not limited to you) can either go on and on about how they think I'm such a troll, or they can actually analyze the situation and try to figure out why #3 above happens so often for you specifically right now when it didn't when you first started.
There are two other cases that are possible for you, and you're the only one who can answer this: either it's something you find yourself doing in other pursuits, or it's not. If it's not something you find yourself doing in other pursuits, then it could be a defensive reaction to how much hell you've caught over your avatars in recent weeks. If it is something you find yourself doing in other pursuits, then it's definitely something you should examine closely because it could easily be holding you back in all aspects of life.
In either case, it's something that is going to be detrimental to your development as a player until you fix it, and is going to annoy the shit out of anyone you try to talk poker with. |
top notch post, rawr!
it's funny though, my post was just me being in a good mood which i immediately realized was a light form of trolling. I hope you didn't take it personally!
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Smithers, use the amnesia ray.
You mean the revolver, sir?
Precisely.
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I wasn't referring to you either rilla, liberal bastard.
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Originally Posted by Ripptyde
I only have 2 simple rules when I am coaching a new student.
Rule # 1: don't ask questions
Rule # 2: don't ask questions
I have no interest in discussing strategy with a protege'. Your job is to remain quiet and listen. I have a very systematic approach that I will share with the right candidate and I promise that I will turn you into a force of nature and show you elements of the game of poker that you never knew existed.
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But I'm clinging to my guns right now!
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Smithers, use the amnesia ray.
You mean the revolver, sir?
Precisely.
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what about your religion?
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it's like a religion to me!
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Smithers, use the amnesia ray.
You mean the revolver, sir?
Precisely.
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Flame war+OT discussion+no advice.
[x] epic fail
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Originally Posted by kb coolman
Flame war+OT discussion+no advice.
[x] epic fail
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You seriously need to re-read the thread if you think there was a flame war or no advice given in this thread.
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Originally Posted by Ripptyde
I only have 2 simple rules when I am coaching a new student.
Rule # 1: don't ask questions
Rule # 2: don't ask questions
I have no interest in discussing strategy with a protege'. Your job is to remain quiet and listen. I have a very systematic approach that I will share with the right candidate and I promise that I will turn you into a force of nature and show you elements of the game of poker that you never knew existed.
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Do I get credit for one out of 3?
I've read the thread. The harsh dialogue is unecessary and detracts from valuable information that could be shared.
Fnord say the stats are standard for FR. You say 'quit limping PP UTG you fucking liar.' His revised hand history shows he has done that. Is there anything else to be learned from these stats? I'm asking this question is all sincerity.
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Not to be learned from the stats, no. But there's something worth learning about learning in this thread. It's like meta-learning.
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Smithers, use the amnesia ray.
You mean the revolver, sir?
Precisely.
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I'm pretty sure that rilla is responsible for half the OT posts in this forum 
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Why poker fucks with our heads: it's the master that beats you for bringing in the paper, then gives you a milkbone for peeing on the carpet.
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Originally Posted by courtiebee
I'm pretty sure that rilla is responsible for half the OT posts in this forum |
Once again I come in second 
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Originally Posted by courtiebee
I'm pretty sure that rilla is responsible for half the OT posts in this forum |
Well at least he posts in this forum unlike other mods
OH NO HE DIDN'T =P
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Originally Posted by Ripptyde
I only have 2 simple rules when I am coaching a new student.
Rule # 1: don't ask questions
Rule # 2: don't ask questions
I have no interest in discussing strategy with a protege'. Your job is to remain quiet and listen. I have a very systematic approach that I will share with the right candidate and I promise that I will turn you into a force of nature and show you elements of the game of poker that you never knew existed.
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I'm just creating a welcoming atmosphere, rawr!
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Smithers, use the amnesia ray.
You mean the revolver, sir?
Precisely.
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Iopq, What's going on, you have two super-hot Asian chicks as your avatar(especially that last one) and then you switch to this plain, dull, pale washout ?!
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Iopq, What's going on, you have two super-hot Asian chicks as your avatar(especially that last one) and then you switch to this plain, dull, pale washout ?!
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So you like dick right?
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Originally Posted by courtiebee
I'm pretty sure that rilla is responsible for half the OT posts in this forum |
Well at least he posts in this forum unlike other mods
OH NO HE DIDN'T =P |
I tell you every time this comes up that I've told Xianti to make you the mod of this forum, and you still take shots at me. I don't even get effort points 
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Originally Posted by Fnord
Why poker fucks with our heads: it's the master that beats you for bringing in the paper, then gives you a milkbone for peeing on the carpet.
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For a limited time, I'm giving effort points for pictures. 
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Originally Posted by courtiebee
I'm pretty sure that rilla is responsible for half the OT posts in this forum |
Well at least he posts in this forum unlike other mods
OH NO HE DIDN'T =P |
I tell you every time this comes up that I've told Xianti to make you the mod of this forum, and you still take shots at me. I don't even get effort points |
Yeah but people are convinced I'm a troll because I talked to reDZill4 on AIM a few times and because Thunder sent Xianti PMs whining about me picking on him in the commune. Oh, and because I spend a few hours a day helping people in IRC, which is terrible in itself because it uses IRC. These irrelevant things obviously outweigh the tons and tons of stuff I've contributed.
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Originally Posted by Ripptyde
I only have 2 simple rules when I am coaching a new student.
Rule # 1: don't ask questions
Rule # 2: don't ask questions
I have no interest in discussing strategy with a protege'. Your job is to remain quiet and listen. I have a very systematic approach that I will share with the right candidate and I promise that I will turn you into a force of nature and show you elements of the game of poker that you never knew existed.
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I'ma PM you again!
I'm also locking this because it's way off topic now.
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Why poker fucks with our heads: it's the master that beats you for bringing in the paper, then gives you a milkbone for peeing on the carpet.
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