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10-07-2008, 04:24 AM
Post subject: NL25 10K hands
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I beat NL10 even with the retardedly high rake over 20K hands for a shitty rate, so I'm surprised here
Especially at how little I raised from the button or LP
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xX zorrito Xx
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Flush
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Wellington, FL
Posts: 300
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the adjustment from 10NL to 25NL is something i'm not looking too forward to either...
this is where you can start to bluff people of pots and you have to actually think and switch some gears instead of going at it on cruise control like in lower stakes...
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No, people don't really bluff as much as you would think
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spoonitnow
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Straight Flush
Join Date: Sep 2005
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Play less hands out of position.
Maybe play more hands in position.
Play less hands out of position.
Stop open limping if you're only going to do it with an obvious range.
Play less hands out of position.
Work harder at putting your opponents on a range.
And finally, play less hands out of position.
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Originally Posted by Ripptyde
I only have 2 simple rules when I am coaching a new student.
Rule # 1: don't ask questions
Rule # 2: don't ask questions
I have no interest in discussing strategy with a protege'. Your job is to remain quiet and listen. I have a very systematic approach that I will share with the right candidate and I promise that I will turn you into a force of nature and show you elements of the game of poker that you never knew existed.
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xX zorrito Xx
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Flush
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Wellington, FL
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that's the point... i think that's where some profitability can start to be made with an occasional bluff with a really scary looking board...
the players here can fold sets, two pair, or a sucker ended straight given the board and situation... you don't get that in micros...
at least this is something i got from personal experiences while i played 25NL a while back...
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bjsaust
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Straight Flush
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Ballarat, Australia
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People dont fold sets at 25nl. I've been called down on 4-flush, 4-straight boards by a set before when I thought what a swell thing it would be to setup a believable bluff at 25nl.
They have their hand, they play it.
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Just playing to improve.
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POKER FUCKING HATES ME
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aka_red
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Moderator
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Originally Posted by iopq
POKER FUCKING HATES ME
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unfortunately this is not the case. you are leaking.
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[11:11] <+bikes> bitches love your face
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Originally Posted by reDZill4
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Originally Posted by iopq
POKER FUCKING HATES ME
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unfortunately this is not the case. you are leaking. |
I have leaks, but I'm better than the people I play against
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swiggidy
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4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Sep 2005
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Originally Posted by iopq
I have leaks, but I'm better than the people I play against
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That's something Slevin would say
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(\__/)
(='.'=)
(")_(")
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Robb
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Originally Posted by swiggidy
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Originally Posted by iopq
I have leaks, but I'm better than the people I play against
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That's something Slevin would say |
LoL.
But let me ask redzilla a question. Sklansky bucks calculates, for hands where villain's cards are KNOWN, if Hero got his money in while ahead. But, we see villain's cards only a small percentage of the time. So the green line (total winnings) can be negative while the Sklansky bucks is ++ if Hero is losing his ass in non-showdown hands.
I like numbers and math and shit, but these friggin' Sklansky bucks drive me nuts. Did I get the interpretation of the winnings graph right?
We're only running bad if showdown winnings is much less than Sklansky line. Overall winnings doesn't necessarily track with Sklansky bucks, amiright?
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swiggidy
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4-of-a-Kind
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You definitely have the right idea Robb. Except every time you get all-in you do see the villains cards. They're in the HH even if they muck.
He's running down $200 of equity in all-in confrontations, but is actually down $1600 cash in non-showndown pots.
BTW, the sklansky is probably close to ideal long term, but there could be some variance, especially at microstakes where someone will call with 1/4 pot left, and hit on the next card. So it looks like you got your money in bad even though you really didn't.
{edited for clarity}
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(\__/)
(='.'=)
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spoonitnow
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Straight Flush
Join Date: Sep 2005
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{double post, damn connection}
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Originally Posted by Ripptyde
I only have 2 simple rules when I am coaching a new student.
Rule # 1: don't ask questions
Rule # 2: don't ask questions
I have no interest in discussing strategy with a protege'. Your job is to remain quiet and listen. I have a very systematic approach that I will share with the right candidate and I promise that I will turn you into a force of nature and show you elements of the game of poker that you never knew existed.
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spoonitnow
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Straight Flush
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: IRC Chat Room
Posts: 5,406
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Originally Posted by Robb
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Originally Posted by swiggidy
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Originally Posted by iopq
I have leaks, but I'm better than the people I play against
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That's something Slevin would say |
LoL.
But let me ask redzilla a question. Sklansky bucks calculates, for hands where villain's cards are KNOWN, if Hero got his money in while ahead. But, we see villain's cards only a small percentage of the time. So the green line (total winnings) can be negative while the Sklansky bucks is ++ if Hero is losing his ass in non-showdown hands.
I like numbers and math and shit, but these friggin' Sklansky bucks drive me nuts. Did I get the interpretation of the winnings graph right?
We're only running bad if showdown winnings is much less than Sklansky line. Overall winnings doesn't necessarily track with Sklansky bucks, amiright? |
Re: Bold; This is correct. Sklansky bucks can only be calculated from HHs if we see Villain's hands, and we generally don't in non-showdown pots.
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Originally Posted by Ripptyde
I only have 2 simple rules when I am coaching a new student.
Rule # 1: don't ask questions
Rule # 2: don't ask questions
I have no interest in discussing strategy with a protege'. Your job is to remain quiet and listen. I have a very systematic approach that I will share with the right candidate and I promise that I will turn you into a force of nature and show you elements of the game of poker that you never knew existed.
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