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11-05-2008, 02:34 PM
Post subject: nl10 AA question
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This was the villain's 2nd hand. The previous hand he sat down UTG+1 and posted BB, and open minraised, which took it down preflop. A flat call here will commit me to the pot, so I'm shoving or folding. Am I paying off a set here? Forgive me if this is standard. I'm a usual SNG player, and in those I'm shoving every time.
Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (9 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
Hero (MP3) ($9.65)
CO ($13.95)
Button ($13.50)
SB ($1.90)
BB ($12.75)
UTG ($10.15)
UTG+1 ($2.50)
MP1 ($2)
MP2 ($2.40)
Preflop: Hero is MP3 with A , A
UTG raises to $0.20, 3 folds, Hero raises to $0.60, 4 folds, UTG calls $0.40
Flop: ($1.35) 3 , 5, 6 (2 players)
UTG bets $0.10, Hero raises to $1, UTG calls $0.90
Turn: ($3.35) Q (2 players)
UTG bets $3.35, [color=#CC3333] Hero???
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WillburForce
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shove. all day, every day.
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badgers
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bet bigger on all streets as played shove
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3k post - Return of the blog!
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TotalPanic
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shove 100%
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jyms
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punish donking. You dont want to let them think this is allowed. Ship more on the flop and all you can eat on the turn.
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kb coolman
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Shove.
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a500lbgorilla
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JESUS TAKE THE KEYBOARD
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"This was the villain's 2nd hand. The previous hand he sat down UTG+1 and posted BB, and open minraised"
haha! I think a better discussion is what is the weakest hand we should shove for value here.
67, imo
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Smithers, use the amnesia ray.
You mean the revolver, sir?
Precisely.
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Robb
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Originally Posted by WillburForce
shove. all day, every day.
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^^^ this
btw wilbur i like the new avatar - is that Aston Villa kit - there's so little on it's hard to tell :P
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sarbox68
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Shove. You will pay off sets but less times than you win with your AA.
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a500lbgorilla
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Weakest hand you shove for value: go!
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Smithers, use the amnesia ray.
You mean the revolver, sir?
Precisely.
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A6 for me, for piece of mind so I'm not getting it in against a retarded hand like Q6
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Robb
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Originally Posted by sarbox68
Shove. You will pay off sets but less times than you win with your AA.
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How're things sarbox? Haven't seen you in here much lately. Runnin' good in life and pokah, I hope.
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Originally Posted by Robb
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Originally Posted by WillburForce
shove. all day, every day.
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^^^ this
btw wilbur i like the new avatar - is that Aston Villa kit - there's so little on it's hard to tell :P |
I'm pretty sure it is, can't be 100% positive though. I'll study it a while longer and report results forthwith...
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a500lbgorilla
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Originally Posted by iopq
A6 for me, for piece of mind so I'm not getting it in against a retarded hand like Q6
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see! this is good! people can't hide behind the obvious answer of stacking off with AA. Come on you forum nits, post!
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Smithers, use the amnesia ray.
You mean the revolver, sir?
Precisely.
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sarbox68
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Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla
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Originally Posted by iopq
A6 for me, for piece of mind so I'm not getting it in against a retarded hand like Q6
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see! this is good! people can't hide behind the obvious answer of stacking off with AA. Come on you forum nits, post! |
7c8c maybe, Ac4c maybe... AQ prolly... AcKc. I'm hungover so this prolly isn'r esp. brilliant... 
Wat up Robb? Sat with you at a couple of UB tables last weekend I think. Life and poker all good... been working like a dog but meh... gotta do what u gotta do  Hope you're doing well!!
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tom
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man I'm probably going with something more like TT and some unpaired clubs
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a500lbgorilla
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draws dont count fish!
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Smithers, use the amnesia ray.
You mean the revolver, sir?
Precisely.
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sarbox68
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Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla
draws dont count fish!
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lolz... lame, but it made me laugh....
oh, and what was the question again....?
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a500lbgorilla
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worst hand you shove for value
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Smithers, use the amnesia ray.
You mean the revolver, sir?
Precisely.
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Robb
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4x
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sarbox68
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Originally Posted by Robb
4x
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I don't think 'rilla's counting draws with +equity as value....
I'm not gonna argue the point 'cause I'm prolly wrong anyway and wtf do I know?
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Robb
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Originally Posted by sarbox68
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Originally Posted by Robb
4x
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I don't think 'rilla's counting draws with +equity as value....
I'm not gonna argue the point 'cause I'm prolly wrong anyway and wtf do I know? |
I was jk
3 shocks for sarbox
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Robb
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Edit: got double-posted.
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a500lbgorilla
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SHOCK
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Smithers, use the amnesia ray.
You mean the revolver, sir?
Precisely.
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theone09
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shove completly.
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AFchung
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whoo easiest snap shove ever. queen of clubs is such a blank compared to the flop play
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Jovar
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Let's guess what he had.
He bet UTG and called raise pf. TT-QQ/AQ-AK
He bet and called raise on flop. TT-QQ
He bets big on turn. QQ
If he is lose he might have KQ/AQ, and bet and called the flop with air. Without any reads I would not assume that though. If he is a maniac he might have anything between 72-AA and there is no point doing anything but shoving. Though you might need some reads or stats on this guy to make a profitable decision I would usually fold here if I did not have any.
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a500lbgorilla
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Originally Posted by Jovar
Let's guess what he had.
He bet UTG and called raise pf. TT-QQ/AQ-AK
He bet and called raise on flop. TT-QQ
He bets big on turn. QQ
If he is lose he might have KQ/AQ, and bet and called the flop with air. Without any reads I would not assume that though. If he is a maniac he might have anything between 72-AA and there is no point doing anything but shoving. Though you might need some reads or stats on this guy to make a profitable decision I would usually fold here if I did not have any.
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We have a read that the guy is a maniac which really fits the line he takes post flop. Anyone who posts UTG+1 and minraises, then minraises the next hand and takes this line is liable to show up with anything. So your UTG range is way too tight, your flop range in hilariously tight and your turn range is wrong.
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Smithers, use the amnesia ray.
You mean the revolver, sir?
Precisely.
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AFchung
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they'll probably be showing up here with AQ so often here
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a500lbgorilla
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He's gonna show up with Q3 way more than AQ, but that wouldn't stop me from shoving 77 gleefully
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Smithers, use the amnesia ray.
You mean the revolver, sir?
Precisely.
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Pelion
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I actually think his range is skewed more towards Qx and stone cold bluffs here so I think id call and hopefully have the chance of calling another bluff on the river.
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WillburForce
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Originally Posted by Robb
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Originally Posted by WillburForce
shove. all day, every day.
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^^^ this
btw wilbur i like the new avatar - is that Aston Villa kit - there's so little on it's hard to tell :P |
wish I was a Villa fan at the moment.....(I think you were joking...?)
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