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Les_Worm
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06-23-2005, 04:39 PM
Post subject: NL Full Ring vs Six-Max
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Which do you play more and why?
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You forgot
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Les_Worm
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Originally Posted by biondino
You forgot
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Now its which do you play more.
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storm75m
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Six Max
-More action (you can play more hands)
-Faster rounds (not waiting forever on hands to be played out)
-Favors the more advanced player
-Easier to get (and give) reads
-More reckless players (?) (Seems true, but I don't play enough full-ring to know)
-Room for more creative play
It would be nice to see all the pro's and cons of each, I don't play enough full-ring to comment on that side of it.
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I guess players in 6 max know that they have to be aggressive, so the bad ones seem relatively speaking "worse" than in ring play.
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storm75m
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Originally Posted by biondino
I guess players in 6 max know that they have to be aggressive, so the bad ones seem relatively speaking "worse" than in ring play.
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This exact statement I think is what makes money for me. Players not used to playing six max assume that they have to be a lot more aggressive, and a lot of players take it too far. So many people think that a six max table is a dick measuring contest, they just don't know I got 'em beat on all fronts. 
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DimitriT
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I like them both. Depends what I'm in the mood for.
If I'm feeling patient and tight its the full table.
If I want action and want to be aggressive, I'll play 6 max.
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Zangief
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Is there a NL 6-max guide anywhere? Anyone want to write one?
I play almost exclusively full ring games because (AFAIK) it's the best for my style. I am basically a tight camper.
I wouldn't know what hands to raise and/or call with in 6-max ... and it would be more difficult to play after the flop with everyone bluffing like maniacs. Of course, this is just my made-up idea of what 6-max must be like.
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journey075
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full ring.
i play 6max like i play HU...too aggressive. im not very good at the type of aggression that 6max requires.
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Element187
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i like the full ring games, because its loaded with tight campers.. i enjoy playing 46o in position against someone who raises UTG with AA.
more tighties in the full ring, so i can play a very lag game and profit.
i've played 6max ... its great and all, but with 10 players, someone raises 4x the BB there is more people willing to come into the pot, creating a much larger pot for the taking, given the right flop.
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I only play 6max nowadays. It's faster, looser, and offers more potential for profit. It also lets you screw around a little more; you can experiment with all kinds of starting hands and raise philosophies, and still do pretty well if you're a decent post-flop player.
It's a weirder game than full ring. In the standard ring game most players are tight and moderate to weak... you don't have to be creative to beat the game, you just have to be patient. 6max rewards creativity and can actually be rough on the patient camper, if the cards are less than average quality for a while.
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Originally Posted by Zangief
Is there a NL 6-max guide anywhere? Anyone want to write one?
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I was considering this and just thinking about it today actually... with the help of Dalecooper and Smackin, but being the perfectionist that I am it will probably take me forever. I may start putting together some notes, see where it goes from there. I also feel that I'm hardly the expert since I've only been playing for less than a year, and consistently winning for the past 4 months, but I love to write, so we'll see.
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I don't think there's a guide yet, but the shorthanded forum has a lot of info in it. Maybe some of us that post there every day should collaborate on one - eh, Storm? 'rilla used to play a lot of 6max too, but from what I understand he gave that up. Crazy monkey.
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I thought more people were playing 6-max.
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Bmxicle
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Just goes to show that the fish are all in 6max, and all good players (people from ftr) are in the ring.
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Ayce
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Full ring, I'm mostly tight camper.
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Full ring tables are good for multi-table camping.
Short-handed games are more fun and stimulating.
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Element187
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Originally Posted by Bmxicle
Just goes to show that the fish are all in 6max, and all good players (people from ftr) are in the ring.
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i'll agree on the point most ftr's will be in the full ring game.
but i think the majority of fish are going to be in the full ring
i can get away with playing all sorts of garbage in a full ring compared to 6 max because the number of people seeing each flop even for a 4x BB raise.
pot odds go through the roof.. not only can you count on implied odds, but the standard pot odds hold up much more often.
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Bmxicle
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True, we are kinda talking about different games though. I just find that at like 200nl and 400nl most people are fairly tight in the ring, and i can get the looser people in 6max to make more mistakes.
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I used to play 6max too. But from what I understand, I gave that up. Crazy me.
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Originally Posted by Bmxicle
Just goes to show that the fish are all in 6max, and all good players (people from ftr) are in the ring.
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Well if all of the fish are in 6 max, wouldn't the good players want to go there to collect? Maybe because full ring is easier to get paid by just camping and multi-tabling? Is it a lazyness thing? Maybe someone could list the reasons why they DON'T like 6 max? (especially if it seems as if thats where the weaker players are...)
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I used to play 6max too. But from what I understand, I gave that up. Crazy me.
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Why did you give it up?
Being a creature of habit, I have just always stuck with what I know best, the game that I've always played, but I would like to know if I might be making my BR building process harder on myself...
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Shitty players can get away with being shitty easier at 6max.
The loose morons who play too many hands and call when they shouldn't play closer to proper strategy in 6max.
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Element187
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Originally Posted by evman150
Shitty players can get away with being shitty easier at 6max.
The loose morons who play too many hands and call when they shouldn't play closer to proper strategy in 6max.
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i noticed 6max is very loose, seems like a camper would clean up
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Originally Posted by evman150
Shitty players can get away with being shitty easier at 6max.
The loose morons who play too many hands and call when they shouldn't play closer to proper strategy in 6max.
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i noticed 6max is very loose, seems like a camper would clean up |
Exactly. You can still camp, but loosen the requirements on the hands you're camping for. Hands like KJ, A9, QJ, and suited connectors become much more playable. (Helps tremendously if you can find a table with at least 3 other Laggs) That's one way to win... but since it's shorthanded, people will catch on quickly, so you need to mix up your play even more-so than in full ring.
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Full Ring.
Why? I'm usually clearing bonuses, and playing several tables. Multi-table camping and standard play will clear the bonuses and usually make you money.
I hanen't had any luck at 6-max, though I've tried 6-max only recently. When I camp, the blinds are coming around quick, and my AK, board K, 7, 2 is always running into K2. I just can never gague my hand at 6 max. Yet. :P
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Originally Posted by evman150
Shitty players can get away with being shitty easier at 6max.
The loose morons who play too many hands and call when they shouldn't play closer to proper strategy in 6max.
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i noticed 6max is very loose, seems like a camper would clean up |
Not really, you're paying 30% more to see the same amount of cards with less players who are likely to pay you off. With less players reads become more pronounced as well, you only have to keep track of six people and a tight player who hasn't raised in 20 hands brings it in something fierce he's less likely to get action.
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I used to play 6max too. But from what I understand, I gave that up. Crazy me.
-'rilla
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Why did you give it up?
Being a creature of habit, I have just always stuck with what I know best, the game that I've always played, but I would like to know if I might be making my BR building process harder on myself... |
It became very difficult to multitable and I felt I needed to learn full-table.
Even with equivalent winrates, I'd make money at full ring becuase I can play longer and more tables. I may go back in time, I may give limit one more try before then.
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Smithers, use the amnesia ray.
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I'm warming to six max, solely because the majority of the party $25 NL fish population have migrated there, leaving maybe 1 or 2 fish per table and the rest campers at the full ring.
There's money to be made at 6 max if you can play it well and not get too raise-happy.
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Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla
I used to play 6max too. But from what I understand, I gave that up. Crazy me.
-'rilla
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Why did you give it up?
Being a creature of habit, I have just always stuck with what I know best, the game that I've always played, but I would like to know if I might be making my BR building process harder on myself... |
It became very difficult to multitable and I felt I needed to learn full-table.
Even with equivalent winrates, I'd make money at full ring becuase I can play longer and more tables. I may go back in time, I may give limit one more try before then.
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I find it easier to 3 table 6max than to 4 table full ring because there are 21 less players to keep track of.
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I find it easier to 3 table 6max than to 4 table full ring because there are 21 less players to keep track of.
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That's pretty impressive... I assume you're using PT... and for the most part just waiting for decent cards. I just can't bring myself to multi-table six max very often, I feel like I'm missing too much. (No PT yet)
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I may go back in time,
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Please let me know how to do this once you figure it out, been trying to do this for a while now. 
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So I quadded 25NL 6max for 7 hours.. I like it much better then full ring. Constant action, lots of fish who are just easy money.
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Fish seemed to get punished a little more in shorthanded games, which is cool. Maybe because they have more chances to make mistakes.
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I like to play full ring.. but i pay alot of attention to picking tables that are full of fishy payoff players. It makes for an easy camp and win. Over time the table changes from that to Lots of campers, as the fish leave from losing money, then a few campers leave and it becomes a self made 6 max table. At which point i loosen up and play it like 6 max, until it goes back the other way again.
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