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GartenZL
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02-07-2012, 12:55 PM
Post subject: NL 5 SH Underpair on paired flop
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MP: $2.16 (43.2 bb)
CO: $6.95 (139 bb) 12/10/3 cbet F 72 cbet T 41 wtsd 24 w$sd 56
BTN: $7.50 (150 bb)
SB: $12.18 (243.6 bb)
Hero (BB): $5 (100 bb) 19/15/2,5 wtsd 27 w$sd 54
UTG: $5 (100 bb)
Preflop: Hero is BB with J J
2 folds, CO raises to $0.25, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.20
Flop: ($0.52) Q Q 8 (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $0.37, Hero calls $0.37
Turn: ($1.26) 6 (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $0.90, Hero calls $0.90
River: ($3.06) T (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $2.19, Hero ?
I am not sure here where I have to give up. c/f flop or fold on the turn ?
Ok when i look at this hand the River is an easy fold. Only want to hear some opions.
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Full House
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any reads?
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Micro2Macro
hey guys, if you ever make a snap call on the river when your opponent raises you're fucking retarded.
Fucking. Retarded.
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GartenZL
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I have many hands of him, I think he can make this play with AQ but also with AK.
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Razvan729
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in CO he has a lot QX an FD's
i consider b/f>>>c/c>>>c/f flop, but turn is ussualy c/f vs this guy.
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OngBonga
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I'm 3betting this pre against a CO open pretty much 100% of the time, mainly for balance purposes, since I'm also 3betting Axs Kxs and heaps of other crap sometimes. After 3betting, I'm leading the flop, probably b/f flop b/f turn b/f river.
As played, I'm probably calling down, he can be barrelling most of his range here putting you on a flush draw. He has us beat sometimes, like QK QJ QA QT Q9s TT 88 66 KK AA, but he can also have small pairs, bricked draws, AK... ok we don't beat that much unless we're giving him lots of air, which without reads is not wise, so c/f river after all. Turn I think is ok, flop is ldo call.
3bet pre and it's much easier post flop imo.
(*edited fuck up)
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Quote:
Originally Posted by wufwugy
ongies gonna ong
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kickass
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I c/f the turn not much you beat and he seems pretty confident. he will chk back alot on this blank a turn. he seems to tight to make this call down. as played definitely folding river.
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put your glasses back on
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d0zer
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he's playing 12/10 at 6max?
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Full House
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Just saw the stats. Find a fold somewhere.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Micro2Macro
hey guys, if you ever make a snap call on the river when your opponent raises you're fucking retarded.
Fucking. Retarded.
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GartenZL
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Quote:
Originally Posted by d0zer
he's playing 12/10 at 6max?
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Yes hes very nitty, play many tables, I see him every day.
Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
I'm 3betting this pre against a CO open pretty much 100% of the time, mainly for balance purposes, since I'm also 3betting Axs Kxs and heaps of other crap sometimes. After 3betting, I'm leading the flop, probably b/f flop b/f turn b/f river.
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I don't like to 3 bet here, if he calls i am in an urgly spot, because his range is very strong and he have position.
If he 4bet me i have to fold.
Mayby the best line is b/f flop c/f turn ?
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Imthenewfish
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c/f turn, 72 flop cbet and 41 turn cbet may seem aggro but his ranges pre are so effin strong
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OngBonga
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Imthenewfish
c/f turn, 72 flop cbet and 41 turn cbet may seem aggro but his ranges pre are so effin strong
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Are you 3betting this pre?
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Quote:
Originally Posted by wufwugy
ongies gonna ong
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Fnord
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w/e pre-flop.
I usually dump this to the river bet.
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Imthenewfish
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
Are you 3betting this pre?
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def not to his 5x open
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Fnord
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Imthenewfish
def not to his 5x open
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If he's opening big, I'm even more inclined to re-steal depending on his frequency/range.
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Imthenewfish
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Fnord
If he's opening big, I'm even more inclined to re-steal depending on his frequency/range.
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i thought that we'd be 3b'ing for value and it seemed gross to 3b/fold a large size and bad to 3b a small size oop, but yeah added dead money helps i just felt like our sizing would have to be really awkward unless we're getting it in pre
what would you 3b to?
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OngBonga
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Imthenewfish
def not to his 5x open
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See in my experience a x5 open is usually TT-QQ AQs+ AK, rarely KK+, but obv it's sometimes KK+. I'm thinking we have value against this range, and when he does have KK+ he usually 4bets us. My logic might be flawed though, I must confess I'm not really applying his stats to 6max so I realise now this guy is tighter than I first thought. Still, I'd expect a smaller raise with KK+ because he would want action, one would imagine. I only really fear QQ.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by wufwugy
ongies gonna ong
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BlackRain79
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Doubt you will ever be good on the river here versus this player type. Can't beat TT anymore which is one of the worse hands that he might have been overvaluing a bit. I would fold the river.
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