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BlueBull

06-01-2009, 06:26 AM Post subject: NL 25: Blown of KK

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Villain is a bit of a maniac playing about 40/20 over 50 odd hands?

$0.1/$0.25 No Limit Holdem
6 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
Hero (UTG) ($28.40)
UTG+1 ($33.30)
CO ($29.45)
BTN ($23.50)
SB ($25.00)
BB ($24.90)

Pre-flop: ($0.35, 6 players) Hero is UTG

Hero raises to $0.75, UTG+1 calls $0.75, 1 fold, BTN calls $0.75, 2 folds

Flop:

($2.60, 3 players)
Hero bets $2.25, UTG+1 calls $2.25, BTN calls $2.25

Turn:

($9.35, 3 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 bets $4.30, BTN folds, Hero calls $4.30

River:

($17.95, 2 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 bets $14, Hero folds

Final Pot: $31.95

UTG+1 wins $31.10 ( won +$9.80 )
Hero lost -$7.30
BTN lost -$3

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06-01-2009, 06:58 AM

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villain played this hand well

I'd continue on the turn because that's a card people will barrel a lot
therefore, someone who realizes that will call lighter (say with Tx)

if he's a bit of a maniac I think he's still calling with a ten
so just b/f turn and c/decide river

Evilpopcorn

06-01-2009, 02:54 PM

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At 10NL are these guys thinking that deep ? I mean sure if villian know this is a good card too doubel barrel and will widen his calling range for the bet/fold on turn.

Also with the other player in this hand does this make villian betting range here on turn tighter ?

If we do the bet/x line do enough bad hands call us? 10NL. Dont think too deep but when u fire turn again even this villian must see that as strength and fear the other guy in the hands thus continuing only with hands that beat us or maybe a monster draw. the monster draw seems a bit unlikely for me if u say villian has maniac tendancies as he prob would have 2bet u flop.

This is just me trying to understand

sarbox68

06-01-2009, 04:32 PM

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Bet more pre-flop. Make it $1-1.25. You're going for a Top pair hand obv and would rather be HU than MW with a bunch of dudes behind you.

As played, would bet/fold the Turn. If you check call as you did, you gonna check the river again? That'll mean you face 3 options... a) he checks thru, b) he puts up a smallish 1/2psb that you agonize over calling unimproved, c) he puts up the PSB that pretty much blows you out of the pot. If yout raise bigger pre-, give a decent size dbl barrel, I think it'll make your river decision that much easier based on how he reacts... Check/call then check/? turn & river isn't so helpful...

BooG690

06-01-2009, 04:38 PM

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By checking the turn, you basically flip your cards face-up and announce that the ace made you uneasy. You gave an aggressive villain an opening to bluff you off a strong hand and may have missed value from jacks, queens, AT, etc.

I agree with iopq's line, though I'd most likely be c/c the river.

That's how winners play; we convince the other guy he's making all the right moves.

Evilpopcorn

06-01-2009, 05:20 PM

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If we barrel the turn and get called then if a river bricks are we going for the c/c or bet ?

c/c is nice imo as with him calling two streets looks like a draw and we only getting value from a busted draw if we check to him and give him the opportunity to bluff.

Now what if a scare cards drops are we c/f ?

BooG690

06-01-2009, 05:53 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Evilpopcorn

If we barrel the turn and get called then if a river bricks are we going for the c/c or bet?

I would go with c/c. We only have a medium strength hand. Also, as you said, we get value from busted flush draws choosing to bluff.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Evilpopcorn

Now what if a scare cards drops are we c/f ?

I am still c/c if a "scare card" (I assume you mean a club) drops. Villain bet on the turn...and not much aggression is seen with flush draws at the microstakes (though I can't speak for 25NL). Villain usually checks the turn with a flush draw to see his/her free card.

That's how winners play; we convince the other guy he's making all the right moves.

Evilpopcorn

06-02-2009, 10:46 AM

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Alright so the better players say continue the lead on turn. I mean i now committed this spot to memory and will in most cases do this with a simiar type of villian in the hand, BUT this is not a good way to understand poker.

Could someone help me with ranges of the two players, and then also how we could use math to work out the possible ways the hands goes down to show me its +EV.

I have never being very strong in the math side of poker, and i need some practice and this looks like a great spot.

06-02-2009, 03:06 PM

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no like it's kind of player-dependent
if he's a maniac he WILL assume you're trying to scare him with an ace and call anyway

if he's a nit he'll fold QQ :/

06-02-2009, 03:21 PM

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no like it's kind of player-dependent
if he's a maniac he WILL assume you're trying to scare him with an ace and call anyway

if he's a nit he'll fold QQ :/

Evilpopcorn

06-02-2009, 06:27 PM

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is 40/20 maniac enough ?

Also if he is a maniac isn't he more likely to raise our turn bet trying to play the Ace scare card ? With our hand on the turn becoming moderately strong and that making us not be able to withstand any heat. Making the c/c line better ?

06-03-2009, 12:43 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Evilpopcorn

the read is he's maniacal, not "40/20 is a maniac always"
if he does raise here as a bluff, then it may be that c/c turn and c/c river is better

mixchange

06-03-2009, 01:15 AM

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B/F turn
C/F river unless he'll definitely bluff missed draws

also nobody is bluff raising the turn 3way with tons of draws still out there

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