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LawDude
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08-14-2009, 10:19 PM
Post subject: nice hand for range analysis
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I saw this and thought "what a nice hand to post on FTR". The reason is that it is perfect for range analysis.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmypGzWMvc0
Hellmuth makes this laydown because, when you think about what Durr did on each street, there's really no hand that he's going to have that Hellmuth can beat. Especially, think about how Durr would have approached the flush draw if all he had was trips aces.
It's a good hand because I think a lot of beginning players would have had trouble laying this flush down.
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devilfish says he shouldn't have bet the river
what a livedonk lol
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LawDude
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Originally Posted by iopq
devilfish says he shouldn't have bet the river
what a livedonk lol
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It's an interesting question. Durr has check-called on both flop and turn. Are there hands within Durr's range that he would call a bet with and which Hellmuth could beat? Perhaps not.
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Parasurama
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08-15-2009, 07:06 AM
Post subject: Re: nice hand for range analysis
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Originally Posted by LawDude
It's a good hand because I think a lot of beginning players would have had trouble laying this flush down.
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lol understateaments
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devilfish says he shouldn't have bet the river
what a livedonk lol
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It's an interesting question. Durr has check-called on both flop and turn. Are there hands within Durr's range that he would call a bet with and which Hellmuth could beat? Perhaps not. |
any lower flush
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LawDude
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Originally Posted by iopq
devilfish says he shouldn't have bet the river
what a livedonk lol
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It's an interesting question. Durr has check-called on both flop and turn. Are there hands within Durr's range that he would call a bet with and which Hellmuth could beat? Perhaps not. |
any lower flush |
Seems like a pretty thin range to be extracting any value from.
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Originally Posted by LawDude
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Originally Posted by iopq
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Originally Posted by LawDude
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Originally Posted by iopq
devilfish says he shouldn't have bet the river
what a livedonk lol
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It's an interesting question. Durr has check-called on both flop and turn. Are there hands within Durr's range that he would call a bet with and which Hellmuth could beat? Perhaps not. |
any lower flush |
Seems like a pretty thin range to be extracting any value from. |
can't predict the guy would slowplay better for three streets
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pokertrainer.se
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Join Date: Aug 2009
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Good laydown, but pretty clear I think.
What hands can Durrr possibly have? The only reasonable hands are flushes and full-houses.
And it is very unlikely he would go all-in with a weaker flush than Phil's.
But as a beginner you must also think about this: this is a hand played with two brilliant players.
When Durr is replaced by a donk, the situation changes. Now the all-in could contain hands like three aces (really bad play) and weaker flushes. Depending on how likely it is that your opponent is making a donkish play this might become a call based on the odds.
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Roller
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"It's an interesting question. Durr has check-called on both flop and turn. Are there hands within Durr's range that he would call a bet with and which Hellmuth could beat? Perhaps not."
Drrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
I'ts Drrrrrr for god sakes.
I don't think Drrrrr has a range of hands.
lol
Either way Hellmuth avoided the trap.
What more can you say.
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revolvingiris
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any lower flush
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I actually hate the river bet. He should have thought about what he would do if durrr shoves over on river. Which he would obv be able to answer fold.
Durrr could call with worse on river but I think everything that Helmuth beats either bets/raises flop or bets/raises turn.
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