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Robb
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08-05-2008, 12:24 PM
Post subject: Next Generation HUD's
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Now that HM and PT3 are out, and many of us have switched, I'm curious what CHANGES you've made. What new HUD stats do you display?
I've added Cold Call, Limp/Call, 3bet, Folds to 3bet to my layout, plus I've created 6 customized popup menus in HM. Each is connected to a different HUD stat. Each HUD stat on the main display is color coded.
This post in my operation gives all the details: My HM HUD Configuration.
So, folks, are you on PT3 or HM, yet? Other? If so, how has your HUD display changed, and what popups have you customized?
Talking about how the reports and filters will change how we plug leaks is a whole different thread, but HM was DEFINITELY worth the price both for the HUD and the new reports/stats/filters. From what I've heard, folks feel pretty much the same about PT3.
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They both look very very nice i must say...Can they be used to track sngs too or should i go with something else?
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Originally Posted by Boellemis
They both look very very nice i must say...Can they be used to track sngs too or should i go with something else?
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Yeah, both can track SnG's. HM has a $55 Micro-stakes version which allows $22 BI SnG's and MTT's and up to 50nl cash. For an additional $25, you can get the full version of HM. PT3 is a bit more expensive (about $90) if you've never owned PT2 and/or don't qualify for a discount.
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having 3bet/ fold to three bete seems counter productive to me if you're ever going to get out of line since they'll adjust eventually... same with limp/call, if you punish every limp they're going to limp/fold less or just stop limping so much (first adjustment is more likely if they suck which most limper do). IDK these just seem counterproductive like HUDbotting at its worst...
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Whats a hud do? 
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I think this is the crap that makes microstakes players nitty beyond believe.
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Originally Posted by oskar
I think this is the crap that makes microstakes players nitty beyond believe.
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I've gotten more aggressive with the HUD, and I'm playing better, picking spots well. The great thing, badgers, about 25nl and south of that is that they DON'T adjust.
I knew Miffed would approve - lol - he's argued against HUD's at the micros for years. But I think the micros is where the HUD's make the most sense. That's exactly the place where villains are most mindless, robotic, and exploitable.
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My awesome contribution to this thread:
HUDs are for pussies, and have the secondary function of giving fish hope.
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Originally Posted by Jack Sawyer
My awesome contribution to this thread:
HUDs are for pussies, and have the secondary function of giving fish hope.
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what's so bad about HUDs?
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Originally Posted by Jack Sawyer
My awesome contribution to this thread
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is my new avatar.
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Nah, I'm serious. People will tend to use HUDs as crutches , and they will be screwed. Screwed into contributing endlessly to the poker economy, in true Sisyphean fashion.
I am never one of deep statements to convince people on my points of view, so here is one from a prominent high stakes dude, who explains it 100x better than me.
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FCK numbers. Do not use a HUD, this will cause far more problems than it will create and slow you down. I wish I could go back in time and just avoid using a HUD and play 4 tables and focusing with decisive reads, but alas I cannot, don't use a HUD, focus on your opponents line and what hand (s) he is representing and how he plays certain hands, where he is weak and where he is strong, this is far more valuable than knowing a regular is 20/17 or a fish is 40/2.
Also EV graphs, won $ at showdown, showdown winnings, all that is bullshit just ignore it.
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And he continues, after getting under fire by people who didn't agree with his previous comments
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I'm not saying HUD will destroy you, you can very well use it and win big, I'm saying the best way to get better and moveup is playing 4 tables without a hud. You CAN use it and make a more optimal decision, however I think without using it you will understand players better and make far more better isolated decisions and game theory decisions.
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Awesome semi-level der, inspirational for me and totally affirming my "giving fish hope" theories
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Everyone's entitled to an opinion. But the new HUD's in PT3 and HM have more and better stats, more useable popups. I think you need to see the new capabilities before pronouncing the same old anti-HUD crap. There have always been arguments for using the HUD less (not at all) in higher stakes where the regs vary their game. Fine. Probably true, but I don't know 'cuz I'm not there.
There have always been anti-microstakes-HUD trolls which were wrong before and who are more wrong now. I know. The villains I play day in and day out have a styles that are perfectly described by HUD stats. And they don't vary. Why not use the information? It would be silly not to.
And BTW 90%+ of the 100nl and 200nl FTR ballahs use them. So don't jack the thread. Well, go ahead and jack it. It's been useless for its intended purposes anyway.
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Originally Posted by Robb
Everyone's entitled to an opinion. But the new HUD's in PT3 and HM have more and better stats, more useable popups. I think you need to see the new capabilities before pronouncing the same old anti-HUD crap. There have always been arguments for using the HUD less (not at all) in higher stakes where the regs vary their game. Fine. Probably true, but I don't know 'cuz I'm not there.
There have always been anti-microstakes-HUD trolls which were wrong before and who are more wrong now. I know. The villains I play day in and day out have a styles that are perfectly described by HUD stats. And they don't vary. Why not use the information? It would be silly not to.
And BTW 90%+ of the 100nl and 200nl FTR ballahs use them. So don't jack the thread. Well, go ahead and jack it. It's been useless for its intended purposes anyway.
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what about the real high stakes players...
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Originally Posted by Jack Sawyer
Inspirational for me and totally affirming my "giving fish hope" theories
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If HUD's make fish just profitable enough, then they'll be able to move up a couple of levels with a modicum of hope, thinking they're getting good. Then they'll be able to contribute MORE to poker the economy. You should LOVE them if you think HUD's make bad players of us all.
Miffed - I admitted I don't know about the truly great players, or the high stakes games. I just read what they say, and it seems the game is just flat-out different in the stratosphere.
HUD's are great for predictable opponents which abound at the micros - even the winning players have exploitable patterns. Maybe they suck at high stakes. But the games are different - the micros aren't high stakes, so do what feels good, I say. And smoke 'em if you got 'em.
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I sometimes ponder ways to alter my opponent's HuD stats on me over a small sample size.
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