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DrVVatson

09-14-2006, 12:15 PM Post subject: Newbie PTStats, fast cars and hot chicks - CHECK IT OUT

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Hello all,
I'm a new member of FTR and a newbie to poker. Since I really appreciate this community, and you guys have probably saved me a couple of hundred dollars at poker with all the advice available on here, I'm posting my stats & graph to hear what you have to say. My notion is, I've experienced quite a bit of negative variance, but what degree of it, I've no idea. No doubt tilt has played a role aswell.
The hands are from .05/0.10 &.10 .25 NLHE at PS & UB (mostly PS) (2 or 3-tabling mostly).
For those of you not familiar with the sites, both PS and UB have roughly a 50:50 mix of maniacs/calling stations and multitabling rocks.
I hope I'm posting enough data, if not, please feel free to complain. Obviously I'm aware of the small sample size, but that's all I've got so far.

Thanks in advance and keep up the good work, this is really an amazing project. Hope to contribute myself soon. It's just that I don't have the credentials for now. =)

Oh, and no hot chicks here, but since you read so far, why not finish? =)

Anyway, here they are (in this order: 1. PTStats, 2. Graph of all stakes and 3. Graph of .10/.25)
Note: All the PL hands are there by mistake (accidently sat down to a PL table)

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Kinbor

09-14-2006, 11:09 PM

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Hey VVatson, welcome to the forum. From the position stats it seems you are losing most of your money in BB position (-162$) and have most success with second position (UTG+1) and button. I suggest you try to to play poker, where those to places are as close together as possible (4-handed) and sit-out when it's your turn to post the big blind.

From the pretty graph I can see that you have a problem stopping when it's not your day. You have to play when you are earning, but if you are losing you must stop. You are betting too much and playing way too many hands (9000?!). I'm playing poker for 4 years and i don't think i've played that many so far. Play few hands and make sure those are good!

I hope i've helped you if you (or anyone else) needs some advice from a pro, fire away, i'll be glad to help.

And another thing. Where are chicks and cars? You've raised pre-topic, c-bet the post. I'm putting you all-in on the reply and you better have something good.

TerryToma

09-15-2006, 12:18 AM

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you might be too aggressive.. people call down with worse hands at these levels, so repping TPTK doesnt always work, you might be firing too many 2nd barrel bluffs on turn.

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bode

09-15-2006, 02:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Kinbor

a big huge WTF?

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WhooFleuryScores

09-15-2006, 05:38 AM

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Do yourself a HUUUUGE favor and read Renton's posts on preflop and postflop play strategy (just do a search).

In my opinion those 3 articles should be required reading for any FTR player.

TerryToma

09-15-2006, 05:40 AM

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Originally Posted by WhooFleuryScores

Do yourself a HUUUUGE favor and read Renton's posts on preflop and postflop play strategy (just do a search).

In my opinion those 3 articles should be required reading for any FTR player.

arent they made into articles in the pokerstrategy section yet?? or are they too golden of information that we dont want any joe with a search engine to find it??

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MiJ

09-15-2006, 06:17 AM

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your postflop AF is high , especially on the flop..just chill a little bit PostFlop and you'll be fine , ,,reading Renton's guide is definetly +EV
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from the pretty graph I can see that you have a problem stopping when it's not your day. You have to play when you are earning, but if you are losing you must stop. You are betting too much and playing way too many hands (9000?!). I'm playing poker for 4 years and i don't think i've played that many so far"

umm what the hell, i play about 20k hands per week , sometimes i have losing sessions of 3k plus hands ,shit ive had a couple 10k breakeven stretches , variance is a big part of the game , as long as u dont tilt or your not tired there's no need to take a break ...

DrVVatson

09-15-2006, 10:27 AM

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Thanks all!
The high AF factor has crossed my mind also (I found my c-bets to be fairly futile) and - behold - even Kinbor mentioned it (and clearly his the dumbest person participating in this thread lol!).
Thanks for pointing out Renton's post wich I found one of, if not, the best on FTR so far.
Hope someone finds enough drive to tear apart my pos stats also.
Thanks again

zook

09-15-2006, 04:42 PM

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My $0.02... pre-flop you could probably stand to raise more from the CO and the Button and raise less from early and middle position. An overall 22.5 VPIP is a little on the loose side, but nothing crazy. Post-flop you're incredibly aggressive. I doubt this is +EV against micro-stakes calling stations.

Post some of your biggest losing hands (or just hands with the most difficult decisions) in this forum and we can give better/more specific advice.

givememyleg

09-15-2006, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Kinbor

lol........... wow.

Your position stats actually look pretty good... I think you may be playing a bit too loose and definetly too agressive. But imo this is better than playing too passive. There is a point though, someone who is betting everything will lose just as much money as someone calling everything... you need to find a balance. 9k hands isn't really enough, but I think you can crush these limits, could be a bad run. You should post some hands or something so we can get a look at how you play, not just how much you make.

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DrVVatson

09-16-2006, 11:54 AM

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Thanks for the support guys =). I'm posting my biggest losers for now. Have to go throught HH's and find some tought hands. Anyway, I suppose lately a lot of losses is due to tilt (some pretty obvious tilt mistakes here and there) and I guess that wouldn't be that interesting (one just can't read The Psychology of Losing too many times). Surely I agree with your opinions about c-betting, am cutting down on it.
Thanks again

zook

09-16-2006, 05:12 PM

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The only thing that jumps out from those is that you're playing and raising AT0 WAY too much. It's not a very good hand... I dump it in early and middle position, open-raise it from late position (or with only one or two limpers in front) and almost always dump it if someone has already raised.

Stagemn

09-17-2006, 05:12 PM

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Hi DrVV,

I think you are having some of he same issues as I once did. Let me explain some of your leaks.

1. POSITION: Though good, you need some real working on it. Play less early and more on the last two to three. Notice that Button thru CO+1 are good plays with PFR and limping, but play a bit more here and less UTG. I like to see 5thru 7 around 10% VP$IP with a 4-5% PFR while the last three 20+% and half that number as PFR.

2. Your SB Play sucks.

Remember SB play, you may be adding 1/2 the BB bet to see the flop, but you'll always be first post-flop. Play SB like you were UTG. You've probably lost 400-600 BBs just in this position.

3. I like your Cold Call percentage. Maybe re-raise some PP hands or any AK.

4. Your biggest leak next to SB play is aggressiveness. You're betting 5 to 1 hands vs. calling. Wanna make big pots? Call with monster hands on the flop (provided the price doesn't give someone odds to draw out), then go aggressive on the turn and river. Let them donate the money on the flop (and maybe turn), then go aggressive. You're basically betting too much (over half of your actions post-flop). The only time you shoud really be betting on the flop is when you have anything in the later positions or it is checked to you and you're last to act with only a few players in the pot. Save early position plays for C-Bets and Monster hand plays (trips, etc.). Also bet less on the turn. River looks fine, though you make more money (and lose less) by playiing more passively on the flop and turn.

5. I think your WTSD % is a little low. Call some bets on the river vs. aggressive types more frequently when you feel you have a moderate hand, and fold to passive bettors without a strong hand. I like to see this closer to 25%. I noticed our folded to a river bet is quite high (73%). 23% of your hands at the river are folded. Call more often (plus even if you lose one against one, you gain information on what your opponent was doing.

6. Look at your stats from about hands 850 to about 4900 (based on your first graph). See this continous upward trend? This is where you've been successful. After that peak of around +243 BB, you start lossing consistently.

7. Like Kinbor said, you're losing most from the BB. Remember the blinds are an early position play and here bet only on the flop with good draws vs. a few opponents and monster hands.

8. YOU"RE BIGGEST LEAK: You are breaking the bais poker cardinal rule. Remember Kenny Rogers once siad, "You've got to know when to hold 'em, know when to fold 'em. Know when to walk away, and know when to run.". You're only folding 6-7% of your hands post flop, Way too low. Not to mention only calling 2% of the time. You're either betting or raising. Once again, as mentioned in point #4 above, you're way too aggressive and can't seem to know when you are beat - or when you know you've got them beat, allow them to donate to your stack. You will make more money by folding more often then the way you're betting. You will make more money with very-strong hands when you only call and fold when you know you're beat. They are making money from you because you're bluffing too much.

9. Are you playing within your Bankroll? By the way you're playing $25NL, you may have yet to master maybe $10NL. If your BR is below $500, better go back to $10 NL for a while and fine tune your skills while making money at it, then go back to the bigger limits.

10. As far as HH... Get rid of ATo (unless on the button or the BB with no PFR). This hand trully sucks overall. Look at you're biggest losing hands and what did you do wrong there (bet or raised vs. a calling station? Raised or called vs. a passive player bet? Didn't read the hands correctly?). Gaurentee only a few will have a "lucky beat". Also look at your biggest pay off hands. What did you do correctly in those sitations?

Hope this heps. Good luck. [/i]

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