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mpc2323
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12-24-2005, 08:04 PM
Post subject: need help making transition mtt/sng to micro CASH
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I dont know what im doing wrong but these donks are sucking out like crazy and making me play like em!!!
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mpc2323
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is it correct to play TAG? and limp any rags in position? Does bluffing even work? And when u flop a monster is slow playing good? or just bet it out and hope for a fish to tag along?
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Pelion
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if they are sucking out on you thats a good sign. It means you are putting money in with the best hand. It is much less of a problem in cash games than tournaments because you can just rebuy and carry on.
If you are tilting and playing like them then take a break. It sounds like discipline is where you are struggling. Take a look through some hand histories and make sure you arent putting money into the pot AFTER they have "sucked out" on you. If you are then you need to stop. Take a look at aoks how to plug any leak in 10 minutes thread and write yourself some stickers.
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gabe: Ive dropped almost 100k in the past 35 days.
bigspenda73: But how much did you win?
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mpc2323
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i think youre right... I was bb with KT then flop come A3T i bet half....turn comes T i bet pot AQ calls RIVER A.... she bets 1/4 I call knowing she hit her FULLL AHHHHGH... next hand I GO ALL IN WITH Q9HAHAHAHHAHAHHAHHA
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Les_Worm
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In cash games you really don't need to come into pots with marginal holdings since the blinds never go up. You can do this as your postflop skills develop but I would recommend against it just starting out. Here are 4 quick tips to improve your cash games play when you are just starting out:
1. Always play within your bankroll.
2. Play tight
3. Don't Bluff
4. Don't slowplay
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The artist formerly known as Knish
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mpc2323
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Join Date: Aug 2005
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I seem to go on tilt when the donkeys call with anything when i value bet my tptk then they hit the river!
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aislephive
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Originally Posted by Les_Worm
In cash games you really don't need to come into pots with marginal holdings since the blinds never go up. You can do this as your postflop skills develop but I would recommend against it just starting out. Here are 4 quick tips to improve your cash games play when you are just starting out:
1. Always play within your bankroll.
2. Play tight
3. Don't Bluff
4. Don't slowplay
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I'll play a marginal holding in position any day as the aggressor, but I agree that you should never force things. If you go card dead that doesn't mean you should raise KJ from EP.
In regards to your quick tips:
1. Very true.
2. At a full table (especially the micro limits) always come into the pot with good values.
3. Bluffing is generally -EV when you leave yourself drawing dead, but semi-bluffing is still a profitable play at any limit, just don't get married to your draw when the other guy comes over the top.
4. Slowplaying is okay when there are few draws on the board and you know the other players will do the betting for you. I'd be hesitant to check-raise in a multiway pot though, players get scared off, therefore I'll normally just bet out my made hands.
The most important thing is to avoid tilt, I have done much better at this than before, and it's saving me money. If you suffer a bad beat then take a break, the games will still be there.
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Les_Worm
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Originally Posted by aislephive
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Originally Posted by Les_Worm
In cash games you really don't need to come into pots with marginal holdings since the blinds never go up. You can do this as your postflop skills develop but I would recommend against it just starting out. Here are 4 quick tips to improve your cash games play when you are just starting out:
1. Always play within your bankroll.
2. Play tight
3. Don't Bluff
4. Don't slowplay
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I'll play a marginal holding in position any day as the aggressor, but I agree that you should never force things. If you go card dead that doesn't mean you should raise KJ from EP.
In regards to your quick tips:
1. Very true.
2. At a full table (especially the micro limits) always come into the pot with good values.
3. Bluffing is generally -EV when you leave yourself drawing dead, but semi-bluffing is still a profitable play at any limit, just don't get married to your draw when the other guy comes over the top.
4. Slowplaying is okay when there are few draws on the board and you know the other players will do the betting for you. I'd be hesitant to check-raise in a multiway pot though, players get scared off, therefore I'll normally just bet out my made hands.
The most important thing is to avoid tilt, I have done much better at this than before, and it's saving me money. If you suffer a bad beat then take a break, the games will still be there. |
All my tips are geared toward someone just starting out playing cash that hasn't developed the necessary post flop skills yet.
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The artist formerly known as Knish
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dsaxton
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Originally Posted by mpc2323
is it correct to play TAG? and limp any rags in position? Does bluffing even work? And when u flop a monster is slow playing good? or just bet it out and hope for a fish to tag along?
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Play good cards, be less inclined to bluff, don't slow-play anything, recognize that your opponents are going to be overplaying marginal hands so be less inclined to give them credit for strong hands when they show strength.
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Pelion
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Originally Posted by dsaxton
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Originally Posted by mpc2323
is it correct to play TAG? and limp any rags in position? Does bluffing even work? And when u flop a monster is slow playing good? or just bet it out and hope for a fish to tag along?
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Play good cards, be less inclined to bluff, don't slow-play anything, recognize that your opponents are going to be overplaying marginal hands so be less inclined to give them credit for strong hands when they show strength. |
But also give them credit for any A if all you hold is KT on an ATx board. I wouldnt be betting this. Bad players will play all sorts of odd cards preflop so you are likely to be behind to A6o or something of the sort. Once that second 10 comes ill start betting but if its just me and my pair of Tens on an A high board, especially in an unraised pot im not betting. In a cash game you don't have to scrap over these small pots when you probably arent winning anyway. Wait until you KNOW you are winning (or at least probably winning) to put your money in.
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gabe: Ive dropped almost 100k in the past 35 days.
bigspenda73: But how much did you win?
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Zidane18
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12-25-2005, 05:26 PM
Post subject: Re: need help making transition mtt/sng to micro CASH
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Originally Posted by mpc2323
I dont know what im doing wrong but these donks are sucking out like crazy and making me play like em!!!
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i too used to play SNG's and made a tidy profit before moving to cash games and winning alot. at first ilost at cash games but it is all a matter of experience
i would say to you NOT TO TRY AND STEAL THE BLINDS WITH BUTTON HANDS LIKE K9 IN CASH GAMES LIKE U MIGHT IN SNG'S
just speaking from experience
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Miffed22001
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Keep it simple.
Raise good hands preflop. Try to make the most of them, while killing chasers odds. Fold if you think they hit
Make cheap monsters. Bet them at the fish. They cal dont worry!
Check an ace high flop with KK!
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dsaxton
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Originally Posted by Miffed22001
Check an ace high flop with KK!
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This seems weak. Just because they're fish and play any ace doesn't mean they have an ace when one flops. Hands containing aces probably actually constitute a relatively small portion of the total sum of garage hands they consider playable facing a raise.
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Lodogg
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Are c-bets a good idea at this level?
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DrDrei
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I'm actually in a similar situation as the OP. I've started playing .01/.02 NL ring games on UltimateBet (don't really have the bankroll for anything bigger yet) and so far I've been doing pretty well just playing solid poker.
As far as continuation bets go, often times what I find is that even with me betting 5x the big blind, I'll -still- end up with 3-4 callers. Which means continuation bets are pretty much out of the question most of the time. Not to mention that even in the unlikely event that none of them has anything, they'll happily chase pot-sized bets anyway, at least till the river.
But on the flip side, they'll usually call your great hands too. If you do make something, you can be almost certain that someone out there will have made a second best hand, and will happily tag along to the river with you.
Since these guys are pretty much always passive preflop (3-5 will try to limp in usually every pot), I've been thinking a lot lately about the type of hands to play against them. I think there's some merit in aiming to play hands that play well in a multi-way pot from late positions, since you'll rarely get raised if you limp in.
Low pocket pairs, Ax suited, suited and unsuited connectors above 45? Perhaps even suited gappers? Anyone have suggestions as to which of these hands are worth playing in this kind of a passive game and which aren't? And should I just play them from the button/cutoff, or can I play them pretty much anywhere from MP on?
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dsaxton
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Originally Posted by Lodogg
Are c-bets a good idea at this level?
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If heads-up against an opponent who is willing to fold air, continuation bets should still be effective, since that is what loose-passive fish usually have on the flop.
Also, if you're starting with best hand preflop, your "continuation bet" is partially for value anyways, since you will generally still have the best hand postflop even if you miss.
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