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NEED FEEDBACK on QQ scenarios.
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r8ed
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10-18-2005, 01:23 AM
Post subject: NEED FEEDBACK on QQ scenarios.
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4-of-a-Kind
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I decided to take some hands that can make lots of money and lose lots of money and figure out how to play them in certain scenarios. These hands are QQ, AK, KQ, AJ, JJ. I'm starting with QQ. Below I listed some scenarios and what I think I should do in each case. I plan to add more flops, etc. but wanted to get feedback from people here. This disregards reads on players, which would make some difference. Thanks in advance for any help. BTW, I had this in notepad and couldn't get the tabs to line up in here, so I had to use the code tag, which still didn't line it up perfectly. So sorry for the poor formatting, but the flop/turn/river are supposed to be tabbed to separate each street.
Code:
QQ
Preflop
If nobody raises before me, then raise
If there is a 1xbb raise before me, then reraise to standard raise
If there is a 4-8xbb raise, call
If I raise and get reraised < 2 x my bet, call
If I raise and get reraised > 2 x my bet, fold
Postflop - Out of position (major alterations if I was the caller vs. raiser??)
AKT: Bet pot. If reraised, then fold.
Bet pot. If called, then opp. is draw or has a made hand.
J: Bet pot. If reraised, push. Opp. has straight, 2 pair, or trips.
Bet pot. If called, opp. still has made hand or draw.
A/K/J/T: Check. If opponent bets low, then call.
Check. If opp. bets high/pushes, then fold.
A/K/T: Bet pot. If reraised, fold.
Bet pot. If called, opp. has made hand or draw.
A/K/T: Check. If opponent bets low, then call.
Check. If opp. bets high/pushes, then fold.
J/Q: Bet 1/2 pot. If reraised, fold.
Q: Bet pot. If reraised small, call.
Bet pot. If reraised big, fold.
Bet pot. If called, opp. has a straight, 2 pair, or trips from the flop.
Q/J: Bet 1/2 pot. If reraised, push.
A/K/T: Check. If opponent bets low, then call.
Check. If opp. bets high/pushes, then fold.
AKQ: Bet 1/2 pot. If reraised, push.
Bet 1/2 pot. If called, opp. has AA/KK or draw.
Q: Check. If raised, call.
ANY: Bet 1/2 pot. If reraised, push.
A/K/J/T:Bet pot. If reraised fold.
Bet pot. If called, opp. has trips or straight or draw.
Q: Bet 1/2 pot. If reraised, push.
ANY: Bet 1/2 pot. If reraised, fold.
KQJ: Bet 1/2 pot. If reraised, push.
Bet 1/2 pot. If called, opp. has AA/KK/JJ/AT or draw.
Q: Check. If raised, call.
ANY: Bet 1/2 pot. If reraised, push.
J: Bet 1/2 pot. If reraised, push.
Bet 1/2 pot. If called, opp. has AA/KK/JJ/AT ordraw.
A/K/T: Bet pot. If reraised fold.
Bet pot. If called, opp. has trips or straight or draw.
Q: Bet 1/2 pot. If reraised, push.
ANY: Bet 1/2 pot. If reraised, fold.
AT9: Bet pot. If reraised, fold.
Bet pot. If called, opp. has AA/KK/JJ/AT or draw.
Q: Bet 1/2 pot. If reraised, call.
Q: Bet 1/2 pot. If reraised, push.
ANY: Bet pot. If reraised, fold.
A: Bet 1/2 pot. If reraised, fold.
Bet 1/2 pot. If called, opp. has AA/KK/JJ/AT or draw.
Q: Bet 1/2 pot. If reraised, push.
ANY: Bet 1/2 pot. If reraised, fold.
A/K/T/9:Bet pot. If reraised fold.
Bet pot. If called, opp. has trips or straight or draw.
Q: Bet 1/2 pot. If reraised, push.
ANY: Bet 1/2 pot. If reraised, fold.
J: Bet pot. If reraised, fold.
Bet pot. If called, opp. has AA/KK/JJ/TT/AT or draw.
Q: Bet 1/2 pot. If reraised, push.
ANY: Bet 1/2 pot. If reraised, fold.
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10-18-2005, 06:00 AM
Post subject: Re: NEED FEEDBACK on QQ scenarios.
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Straight
Join Date: Jun 2005
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Are you programming a bot?! If so, I'm gonna find your bot and continually reraise it when it has QQ!
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r8ed
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4-of-a-Kind
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 No, I'm trying to think through scenarios on how I would play QQ and the other hands I mention to see if people see flaws. It does look like it could be pseudocode for a bot, but that's not really the way you program. It should be more generic than specific flops. That would be such crappy coding.
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Rondavu
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4-of-a-Kind
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Originally Posted by r8ed
No, I'm trying to think through scenarios on how I would play QQ and the other hands I mention to see if people see flaws. It does look like it could be pseudocode for a bot, but that's not really the way you program. It should be more generic than specific flops. That would be such crappy coding. |
There's a saying about comedy which applies well to no limit hold em. Someone once said that dissecting comedy is like dissecting a frog. They both die in the process. The more no limit hold em you play, the more you'll realize the vast diversity of decisions and reasons for those decisions. This chart you made is garbage. It's pretty garbage, but still garbage. I don't mean to upset you, or to be too harsh.
Concentrate on making your decisions based on your opponents tendancy more than your hole cards. When one guy minraises 2xBB EP into your mid position QQ it means time to isolate. When another guy does it he has KK or AA almost every time. You see what I mean? The only answer is experience. Trust yourself. Trust your reads. Allow them to be horrible until they become better. Otherwise you'll never learn how to play raw poker.
Don't get chained to scenerios. When you're playing good poker, it's a flow.
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r8ed
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4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Jan 2005
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Rondavu,
I agree it is based on reads. There are two types (or more) of reads however. Your read on your opponent - ie. how loose they play and how aggressive they are, etc. There is also how you read your opponent's reaction to your actions. In the process of writing this out, I really tried to think about how best to get information for the average player through my actions. As I wrote it out, I changed my mind on a couple things when I looked at each scenario. There is no way I"m looking at any charts or scenarios when I play. Writing it down is just an exercise to evaluate a thought process based on some variables.
I already know what to do when I get QQ. But like comedy, what you think is good in your head may not be the best in reality. The timing of jokes can only be realized in practice with the other people. You can't just show up the night of the skit and kill the audience. You have to practice with the other people. Based on their actions, you may change the timing of a joke or how you say it. Sort of an analogy I guess.
You cannot post any hand on this site without somebody saying you need reads. Of course you need to have reads to be successful, but you still need a general strategy that you can work off and adjust on the fly.
Also, playing multiple tables reduces the accuracy of your reads. That's why everyone relies on PT. PT doesn't tell the whole story either though. Therefore, I'll stick to the general strategy when I have limited or no information.
I'm not trying to be defensive or playing back at you - because I respect your input. I just want to point out why I wrote this down.
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