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Old 12-25-2009, 09:35 PM     Post subject: Was my line okay on the turn and river?? #1 (permalink)  
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Button is a donk. 38/5/1.50

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SB ($29.30)
BB ($11.95)
UTG ($6.40)
MP ($26.50)
Hero (CO) ($25)
Button ($37.05)

Preflop: Hero is CO with Q, 10
UTG bets $0.75, 1 fold, Hero raises to $1.25, Button calls $1.25, 3 folds

Flop: ($3.60) A, 9, J (2 players)
Hero bets $1.90, Button calls $1.90

He called here so I put him on a weak Ace.

Turn: ($7.40) 8 (2 players)
Hero bets $6, Button calls

He calls again so now I put him on AJ, A10, A9

River: ($19.40) 2 (2 players)
Hero bets $6, Button calls $6
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Old 12-25-2009, 09:54 PM #2 (permalink)  
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Firstly, put together a decent range. I'm noticing a lot of people are applying very narrow ranges for villains even when they do try to construct a range. For instance, why do you think villain's range is only Ax and doesn't have any draws?

You also have an issue with betsizing, pf shouldn't be a min3bet for reasons I'm sure you know or could quickly gather. Flop cbet could be bigger. Turn at least you're trying to get some money in, but when you state his range is top pair with oesd or two pair, NO flush draw, why do you bet the river so small? You think he never has a flush so what are you afraid of happening if you bet big? Think about that.
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Old 12-26-2009, 12:15 AM #4 (permalink)  
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Probably not the best idea to 3bet a person who has 6dollars in his stack.

Not the best flop for a cbet but he might fold King high,small pocket pair.
Give up on turn/river
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Old 12-26-2009, 06:35 AM #5 (permalink)  
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fold pre?
...also why did you chose to 3bet?
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Old 12-26-2009, 07:29 AM #6 (permalink)  
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Not the best flop for a cbet but he might fold King high,small pocket pair.
Give up on turn/river
Flop cbet is fine, it's a board we hit a lot, that we 3bet is almost irrelevant given the size lets in all the hands that would flat a normal pfr, so it's not like villain's range tightens up any.

Probably best not to give up on the turn as we just made the nuts :P If we had bricked the turn I'd sometimes bet/fold but mostly/check fold unless villain bets small enough for us to correctly call our draw.
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Old 12-26-2009, 05:10 PM #7 (permalink)  
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 I don't get the preflop 3-bet either against a UTG raiser and the 3-bet size does not make sense (maybe it is to make your stats look good?). Note that it also does not make much sense to raise UTG and then fold to a tiny 3-bet. If you did that against my UTG range, you'd be 4-bet-big-time the majority of the time.

OK to c-bet / bet your draw on the flop but this depends a lot on your read on villain. If he is aggressive (but it does not seems to be the case here) and prone to raising maybe a check call is better.

I don't see why you exclude flush/straight draws from his range.

Turn is fine, close to pot sized bet for value and to make him pay to draw.

River is OK if you do this as combination of a blocking bet against flushes and a small value bet against weaker hands. If you go by your read that he always has a good but weaker hand (two pairs, a set), and your bet is purely a value bet, then you should probably bet more, like 60-70% of pot. But I really don't see how you can exclude a flush.
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Old 12-26-2009, 05:14 PM #8 (permalink)  
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Probably not the best idea to 3bet a person who has 6dollars in his stack.

Not the best flop for a cbet but he might fold King high,small pocket pair.
Give up on turn/river
Agreed with the first part

As for the second part, I usually keep playing with the nuts

But yeah fold pre rest is fine I guess (postflop)

You can't really get great responses without reads or having you put them on a range
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Old 12-26-2009, 06:08 PM #9 (permalink)  
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oops I cant read boards
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Old 12-26-2009, 06:10 PM #10 (permalink)  
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oh and BTNs range probably has more pocket pairs since he cold called a small 3bet so cbet is good.
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Old 12-27-2009, 02:10 AM #11 (permalink)  
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The river bet is all-in. There can be no other bet.
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