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darmmrk
Old 08-23-2006, 06:25 PM     Post subject: My First Hand History - This play is correct long term? #1 (permalink)  

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I have been reading and enjoying FTR for almost eight months now, and finally made a deposit to PP. I host monthly home games, and love this game. I have been playing online for about a week and thought it would be a good time to post my first hand history. I feel like I played this hand correctly, and even though I lost, this kind of player will make me money over the long term. Criticism/Comments welcome. Thanks guys.

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***** Hand History for Game 5010132197 *****
$10 NL Texas Hold'em - Wednesday, August 23, 12:22:25 ET 2006
Table Beginners Hyoglossus (Real Money)
Seat 3 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: SaBaBaH ( $9 )
Seat 2: tcboyle111 ( $0 )
Seat 4: Eddi0310 ( $6.55 )
Seat 5: dervisionaer ( $7.05 )
Seat 6: gopistons527 ( $22.50 )
Seat 7: Darmmrk ( $9.55 )
Seat 9: xAfortunadox ( $9.35 )
Seat 3: omg987 ( $13.70 )
Seat 8: Koxi82 ( $4.85 )
Seat 10: Igorlopes ( $0 )
dervisionaer posts small blind [$0.05].
gopistons527 posts big blind [$0.10].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Darmmrk [ Kc As ]
Darmmrk raises [$0.20].
Koxi82 folds.
xAfortunadox calls [$0.20].
omg987 folds.
dervisionaer calls [$0.15].
gopistons527 calls [$0.10].
** Dealing Flop ** [ Qc, Ah, 8h ]
Eddi0310 has left the table.
dervisionaer bets [$0.10].
gopistons527 calls [$0.10].
Darmmrk raises [$0.20].
xAfortunadox calls [$0.20].
AJittt has joined the table.
dervisionaer calls [$0.10].
gopistons527 raises [$1.90].
Darmmrk is all-In [$9.15]
xAfortunadox folds.
dervisionaer is all-In [$6.65]
gopistons527 calls [$7.35].
** Dealing Turn ** [ 5d ]
** Dealing River ** [ 7s ]
gopistons527 shows [ 5h, Ac ] two pairs, aces and fives.
Darmmrk doesn't show [ Kc, As ] a pair of aces.
dervisionaer doesn't show [ Ad, Ks ] a pair of aces.
gopistons527 wins $4.75 from side pot #1 with two pairs, aces and fives.
gopistons527 wins $20.50 from the main pot with two pairs, aces and fives.
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Old 08-23-2006, 06:34 PM     Post subject: Re: My First Hand History - This play is correct long term? #2 (permalink)  
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Raise more preflop, especially being UTG. All the way to $0.50 seems to be standard at 10NL. AKo does not play very well multiway.

Flop sucks, you have TPTK on a board with 2 broadways and 2 hearts, 2 act in front of you with donk bets and you only minraise? Then after an actual raise by the button, you go POOSH? Ick.

Yeah, BB ends up sucking out but he should have never been there if you made a real PF raise, and followed it up raising the flop to a pot sized level (as played, $1.)

Keep posting HH's, try it in the HH forum though. And good luck.
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Old 08-23-2006, 06:38 PM #3 (permalink)  
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Please use a hand converter.
UTG with AKo, you're looking to raise to isolate to at most 2 other players, whatever the table dictates to get that done. It appears as though 2xbb is not enough, as you get 3 callers.
Pre-flop pot is $.80. Pot is opened with a $.10 bet, or 1/8 pot - very weak. It's called, so now you have two players at least a little interested in the hand. You raise $.2, still a very small fraction on the pot, very weak. Unlikely this will cause any folds from any reasonable hands. It's called around until the big blind (who saw the hand cheaply with odds) hammers a real bet in there. His intentions at this point are read-dependant...could be a take-down manuever, but that's unlikely given how many people are interested in this hand. More likely he's happy to see the interest and wants to get his money in. This should make you cautiously optimistic - you have TPTK on a fairly danger-free board. Only hands of true concern are 88, AQ, A8.
You slam over the top all in here, escalating the hand from a sissy fight to a slugfest in no time flat. I like this play. You have a strong enough hand that making this bluff-esque play will likely get sheriffs to call with middle pair+flush draw or an un-made pocket pair. If any of the opponents in the hand are solid players, I would be very cautious...but that doesn't happen too terribly often at these stakes, so safe to assume they suck until proven elsewise.

Overall, I disagree with the panzy betting. I like the push move on value.
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Old 08-23-2006, 06:39 PM #4 (permalink)  
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min-raising pf accomplishes nothing and too many ppl will call. you HAVE TO raise AT LEAST 3xbb but i usually like to open from EP (actually from everywhere at this level) with a raise to $0.40

you hit the flop very nicely and when someone bets and call you MUST raise more than minimum. You should raise it up to $0.80-$1.00. Even with this raise, the guy with A5 is a fish and would have still called so it may not have made a difference this hand, but NEVER do this again. Never, ever min-raise.

Even with these two mistakes, you did good getting the money in with the best hand and experienced a bad beat. Keep getting your money in with the best hand and in the long term you will prosper!

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Old 08-23-2006, 06:39 PM #5 (permalink)  

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Raise more preflop, minraising in first position isn't showing much strength. I'd probably raise to at least .30 or .40.

The minraise on the flop is also a bad sign, with TPTK I would think you had the best hand, which you did, so bet it strong.

Other than that I think you played it fine.

P. S. I am also a beginner so don't take my advice too quickly, I am hoping to learn from this as well.
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Old 08-23-2006, 06:55 PM #6 (permalink)  
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 raise 4-5bb preflop, and raise the flop up to 1.00 to get the limpers out.
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Old 08-23-2006, 08:51 PM #7 (permalink)  
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 The consensus is bet more pre-flop somewhere around 3xbb or 4xbb and maybe higher since you are UTG. However, I like to keep my bets consistent so I usually stay with 3xbb. Also, as said you need to bet more on the flop.
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Old 08-23-2006, 10:33 PM #8 (permalink)  

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As far as im aware the hand converter isnt available for Paradise histories??

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Old 08-23-2006, 10:37 PM #9 (permalink)  
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Old 08-24-2006, 09:54 AM #10 (permalink)  
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Old 08-24-2006, 12:17 PM #11 (permalink)  
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You look like a limit player who thinks you play NL the same way only with the addition of a SUPER MEGA ALL IN POW! bet.

I have to ask - if you've been reading FTR 8 months, how come you think you've made the right play in a hand where you raise FAR too small with a genuinely good hand in a dangerous situation? Don't be fooled by the fact you suffered a bad beat - I personally dislike the push here because too often you'll be drawing practically dead in this situation.

Keep posting, keep learning, and read the strategy guides - you've got quite a way to go I fear.
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Old 08-24-2006, 01:03 PM #12 (permalink)  
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 What they said ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^. The A5 hand may have stayed for this one and one but 3/4 your going to stack guys at this limit playing Ax and only getting TPWK.
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Old 08-24-2006, 01:09 PM #13 (permalink)  

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Thank you for the comments, I reviewed my hand histories last night, and found a lot of situations where I was either minbetting or minraising, definite leak. The situations where I bet 4 or 5 BB, or pot size bets were much more favorable. Just getting used to the online world I guess. Need to be more TAG instead of tight/weak. I was able to take down several small pots with pot sized bets after missing the flop. I will incorporate this into my game.
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Old 08-24-2006, 01:21 PM #14 (permalink)  

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I believe this is an example of a hand I played better, with more aggressive betting. I have lost several hands with two pair, and did not want to lose this one.

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SB ($1.69)
BB ($10)
Hero ($8.90)
Button ($2.91)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with K, 9. SB posts a blind of $0.05.
Hero calls $0.10, Button calls $0.10, 1 fold, BB checks.

Flop: ($0.35) 5, Q, 9 (3 players)
BB checks, Hero checks, Button checks.

Turn: ($0.35) K (3 players)
BB bets $0.35, Hero raises to $0.7, Button folds, BB calls $0.35.

River: ($1.75) 3 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $2, BB folds.

Final Pot: $3.75
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Old 08-24-2006, 01:55 PM #15 (permalink)  
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This hand isn't great either tbh. If you're going to play a marginal hand like K9o (4-handed that's okay - don't even play it if there are more players) you HAVE to raise with it, push out at least the button and buy yourself position. You can also then cont bet on the flop having raised pre-flop.

I personally bet this flop. Two callers of your limp and you've hit second pair good kicker, and the BB has checked. You also have a flush draw on board - this pot can just be taken down.

The re-raise on the turn is poor too as anyone with a flush draw still has odds to stay in the hand (and anyone with a flush has you beat). Bet properly (over $1) and if you get called, be happy to check down the river.
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Biondino,
I appreciate your time. K9 is an instafold most of the time, I only played it because it was 4 handed. I have a difficult time with mid pairs. Check to see another card? Bet for information? I always feel like I have no shot when seeing middle pair on a flop. Granted, I normally would not play starting hands like this, but how do you handle AJ on a flop of KJ4 rainbow?
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Old 08-24-2006, 03:08 PM #17 (permalink)  
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Check to see another card? Bet for information? I always feel like I have no shot when seeing middle pair on a flop. Granted, I normally would not play starting hands like this, but how do you handle AJ on a flop of KJ4 rainbow?
Depending on opponents I usually either check it down/fold to aggression, or bet as a steal.

And btw, that turn raise in the second hand is still a minraise, is it not?

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Old 08-24-2006, 05:32 PM #18 (permalink)  
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I tend to play middle pair strongly with 1 or 2 oppos and if checked to, especially if the pot is unraised. I want draws paying bad odds to call or folding, and in the unlikely event of the one player acting after me having a better hand, I can slow right down.

The odds of K9 improving on the turn here are small - 5 outs to two pair or trips (one of which is tainted, the king of spades, as it completes a flush) and a redraw to a gutshot (which you can discount. So, you're either going to win this hand here or you're not going to win it at all. have a stab and don't put any more in if played back at. If you bet the pot here you only need to get folds from the villains 50% of the time for it to be worth it, not counting the times you get called and still win.
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Didn't see anybody answer your question directly, so here's the answer (which can be infered from the replies)....but, just to make sure it is clear:

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

Raise more preflop, bet the flop harder. Stop betting it so weak. You have a drawing hand and you don't want to make this a multiway pot.
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