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11-09-2008, 12:21 AM
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Ok today I figured I didn't want to keep messing around at low stakes for too long anymore, so I made a plan that I can follow. I'm playing at unibet (prima network) and pokerstars. So the plan is this:
On prima I have €172 (after cashing out €500).. I will play NL20 until I hit €450, then move to 40NL with 15 buyins of €30. Then when I get at €600, it'll be 50NL with 15 buyins of €40. The last step would be to run my bankroll up to €1600 and start playing 100NL with 20 buyins of €80.
On pokerstars I had $264 today, I ran that up to $454 playing 25NL. When I reach $600, I'll play 50NL with 15 buyins of $40. The last step at stars will be when I reach $1600 and play 100NL with 20 buyins of $80.
This is going to take quite a while, and it'll be hard to motivate myself to play many hours a day; Especially considering that I don't have much time at all with everything that's going on. But I'm gonna try, so wish me luck 
Oh, and thought about my plan?
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I´m a fan of aggro BRM. Yet I think your plan is a bit off.
A 15BI rule is too aggro. Im going with 20 and its close.
Then I´d consider all the money I have to play poker as one roll, it doesnt make sense to have two bankrolls and play different limits on different sites, only because your roll isnt split in equal amounts. Beside that I really dont like your plan to play stars with 80BB stacks. Shortstacking sucks, but playing w/ 70BB or 80BB you get the worst of both worlds, not being able to shove many many many flops and still missing 20BB per big pot. Bad idea, dont do it.
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11-09-2008, 02:36 AM
Post subject: Re: My bankroll plans..
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Oh, and thought about my plan?
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It sucks shit.
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Originally Posted by Ripptyde
I only have 2 simple rules when I am coaching a new student.
Rule # 1: don't ask questions
Rule # 2: don't ask questions
I have no interest in discussing strategy with a protege'. Your job is to remain quiet and listen. I have a very systematic approach that I will share with the right candidate and I promise that I will turn you into a force of nature and show you elements of the game of poker that you never knew existed.
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11-09-2008, 04:36 AM
Post subject: Re: My bankroll plans..
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This, although i'm not that blunt.
I'm not as conservative w/ my BR as some (**cough**spoon**cough***), but your "take a shot" points are closer to where you should be entering those levels rather than leaving them.
I think that assuming you have no problem moving up and down as needed, I'd suggest playing w/ at LEAST 15-20 FULL buyins at whatever stakes you are at. This doesn't mean move up when you get to 15 buyins for the next level, it means moving up when you pass 20 buyins for the next level and moving back down when you drop to 15.
That said, I'm looking at this from the perspective of a serious hobbyist, not someone depending on the money. I'm assuming this is you too if playing at these stakes. I'm sure if I reach the point where the money really matters, I'll become much more conservative with my BR.
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I don't get the shortstacked thing. But then, I reload if I get 20c below the max buy-in.
If you beat the level, you'll move up soon enough, no?
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11-09-2008, 11:06 AM
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This, although i'm not that blunt.
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Don't mind him, he's been stalking my last few posts with snarky comments.
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I'm not as conservative w/ my BR as some (**cough**spoon**cough***), but your "take a shot" points are closer to where you should be entering those levels rather than leaving them.
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Yeah I realize that, but it's a combination of three factors: up to 50NL is easy to beat anyway (5+ptBB/100), I don't have a lot of time to play, and I kinda want to get to 100NL within a reasonal timeframe (it's the mininum stake two of my buddies play at, heh). Well we'll see how it goes..
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It's fine since you don't rely on the money and can drop down if you run/play badly.
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11-09-2008, 12:59 PM
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This, although i'm not that blunt.
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Don't mind him, he's been stalking my last few posts with snarky comments.
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I'm not as conservative w/ my BR as some (**cough**spoon**cough***), but your "take a shot" points are closer to where you should be entering those levels rather than leaving them.
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Yeah I realize that, but it's a combination of three factors: up to 50NL is easy to beat anyway (5+ptBB/100), I don't have a lot of time to play, and I kinda want to get to 100NL within a reasonal timeframe (it's the mininum stake two of my buddies play at, heh). Well we'll see how it goes.. |
Do whatever you want but if you go broke we don't want to hear you bitch.
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I only have 2 simple rules when I am coaching a new student.
Rule # 1: don't ask questions
Rule # 2: don't ask questions
I have no interest in discussing strategy with a protege'. Your job is to remain quiet and listen. I have a very systematic approach that I will share with the right candidate and I promise that I will turn you into a force of nature and show you elements of the game of poker that you never knew existed.
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11-09-2008, 02:25 PM
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Yeah I realize that, but it's a combination of three factors: up to 50NL is easy to beat anyway (5+ptBB/100), I don't have a lot of time to play, and I kinda want to get to 100NL within a reasonal time frame (it's the minimum stake two of my buddies play at, heh). Well we'll see how it goes..
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Jack, I don't want this to be considered a shot or anything since several threads have gone that way in the near past, but seriously, I don't remember you ever playing, let alone beating $50NL. After the questions you posted on those HH's and the hands themselves, I would say your gonna need more time. Whether you think a friend played them or not.
You have never had good BR management skills so your rushing to get to $100NL with minimal hands and plans on improving are going to get you back where you were 2 years ago, withdrawing and playing short on BI's. You need a better plan.
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Also, 100nl is low stakes kiddo.
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Originally Posted by Ripptyde
I only have 2 simple rules when I am coaching a new student.
Rule # 1: don't ask questions
Rule # 2: don't ask questions
I have no interest in discussing strategy with a protege'. Your job is to remain quiet and listen. I have a very systematic approach that I will share with the right candidate and I promise that I will turn you into a force of nature and show you elements of the game of poker that you never knew existed.
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jyms, I understand you think I'm delusional, not a unfair assessment probably, given my past. But something drastically changed about 6 months ago, which would be both awkward and out of place to divulge into. I don't need the money anymore now, I just want to get good at poker as revenge for past suckage, now that I am in the ability to do so. But words are just words, and probably not very convincing at all, so I'm just gonna try this, and we'll see how it goes.
Today I wanted to shoot myself for how bad my poker game was - added $97 to the BR though.
Oh and spoon, I bet you're a sweetheart in real life.
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Taking a variance ride isn't going to make you any better.
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I only have 2 simple rules when I am coaching a new student.
Rule # 1: don't ask questions
Rule # 2: don't ask questions
I have no interest in discussing strategy with a protege'. Your job is to remain quiet and listen. I have a very systematic approach that I will share with the right candidate and I promise that I will turn you into a force of nature and show you elements of the game of poker that you never knew existed.
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Taking a variance ride isn't going to make you any better.
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You can't know that it won't bring that ah-ha! moment.
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Smithers, use the amnesia ray.
You mean the revolver, sir?
Precisely.
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Taking a variance ride isn't going to make you any better.
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Sure, but it's also possible that I'm dealt AA for every hand of hold'em I play for the rest of my life. Doesn't make it likely.
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I only have 2 simple rules when I am coaching a new student.
Rule # 1: don't ask questions
Rule # 2: don't ask questions
I have no interest in discussing strategy with a protege'. Your job is to remain quiet and listen. I have a very systematic approach that I will share with the right candidate and I promise that I will turn you into a force of nature and show you elements of the game of poker that you never knew existed.
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Yes, but riding the variance train doesn't make it any more unlikely that'll he'll figure the game out especially if he's willing to drop down stakes when his BR deems it necessary.
I say go for it.
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Smithers, use the amnesia ray.
You mean the revolver, sir?
Precisely.
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If it's aggressive-move-up-quick-BRM you want, and +Variance you need, then why don't you just take your roll to a 200NL table, and get all your money in w/ 60% equity or better?
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Flip for rolls with someone.
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If it's aggressive-move-up-quick-BRM you want, and +Variance you need, then why don't you just take your roll to a 200NL table, and get all your money in w/ 60% equity or better?
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This helps reduce risk of ruin, of course? If you're going to attempt the appeal to ridicule fallacy, do it right next time.
I also think it's lol that I come off as trying to defend his taking shots. I'm not saying I recommend it, or agree with it, but I don't hate that he's trying it.
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Smithers, use the amnesia ray.
You mean the revolver, sir?
Precisely.
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The only thing I'll say about your bankroll plan is this:
http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...ef-t78237.html
No chance.
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The only time I came close to taking a shot was two weeks ago when I started at a new site with a minimum deposit of €20 and started playing 10NL which is their lowest limit. After a week I was officially rolled for 10NL, and I'm currently at €450, so this one worked out. If I would have gone busto, I would have kept playing 5NL at Party, or more likely: cash out on party anyway and go ANYWHERE else.
I don't think this is such a high risk move. You take a little money aside that you are willing to loose to play at a higher level. If you loose that money, you're back to your old level.
I think that's probably better than a short-stacked less-buy-ins approach, which might cause pretty servere swings and can compromise your whole roll.
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I have followed br management like this guy moved up very fast and when i started playing 1.00 I lost my br very quickly, This is why i have started over this time i have been following spoons advice and things are moving. Not to mention I play with more confidance with a solid br. I also don't understand why to start yourself out shortstacked. It gives you no room to move and forces you to play a smaller range of cards may work for you but it don't work for me. I wish you the best luck but i think you will be starting over soon.
Later
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