|
froggie53088
|
04-06-2009, 03:44 AM
Post subject: multi tables, several good hands at once
|
#1 (permalink)
|
|
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: EG NY
Posts: 21
|
|
Im just starting out playing multiple tables and its very different in that i dont have time to think about how i wanna play a hand especially when i flop a monster. I had top two pair, a straight and a set all at the same time earlier and didnt know what to do. i ended up just betting a bunch at each table, i won everyhand but didnt really get the optimal amount of chips in the pot
any suggestions or tips for how to handle this?
|
|
|
Play for FREE and practice your game at...
Join the FTR Poker Forum to disable these banners and start posting!
|
|
Stacks
|
|
4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Im opedipus bitch, the original balla.
Posts: 2,605
|
|
Play less tables until you get comfortable?
|
|
|
|
froggie53088
|
|
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: EG NY
Posts: 21
|
|
thats what my buddy said too but idk
maybe i just need to man up
|
|
i wanna be the very best like no one ever was....
|
|
swiggidy
|
|
4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Waiting in the shadows ...
Posts: 3,777
|
|
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by froggie53088
thats what my buddy said too but idk
maybe i just need to man up
|
pro tip: people love it when you ask a question, then dismiss the answer because it's not what you wanted to hear
Welcome to FTR
|
|
(\__/)
(='.'=)
(")_(")
|
|
dranger7070
|
|
4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Wake up in the mornin feelin' like P. Diddy
Posts: 2,524
|
|
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by swiggidy
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by froggie53088
thats what my buddy said too but idk
maybe i just need to man up
|
pro tip: people love it when you ask a question, then dismiss the answer because it's not what you wanted to hear
Welcome to FTR |
|
|
|
|
T-Rex
|
|
Straight
Join Date: Mar 2009
Posts: 119
|
|
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by swiggidy
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by froggie53088
thats what my buddy said too but idk
maybe i just need to man up
|
pro tip: people love it when you ask a question, then dismiss the answer because it's not what you wanted to hear
Welcome to FTR |
lol toooo good sir tooooo good hahaha really made me lol
theres alot of quotes and kinda deep thoughts about if a person asks for advice they will almost never use it. people ask for advice when they know all the answers and wish they didnt.
|
|
|
|
froggie53088
|
|
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: EG NY
Posts: 21
|
|
yea at no point did i disagree but ok
i just worry il get restless playing just a couple talbes
check out my new website though
nohelp.c0m//swiggidy/T-rex
|
|
|
|
flomo
|
|
Full House
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: mashing potatoes
Posts: 878
|
|
you should just man up
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by bigred
Protect dog
|
|
|
JKDS
|
|
Full House
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Chandler, AZ
Posts: 1,024
|
|
if making one decision on one hand is hard, then making two decisions on two hands with less information and less time is impossible.
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
But no, jkds is lolvillager and anyone who wants to string him up is sighbad.
|
|
|
frreshprince
|
|
3-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: United States
Posts: 100
|
|
stop being sucha faggot and just play 30 tables at once. anyone with 1/2 a brain can doit.
|
|
And i yelled to the cabby YO HOLMES SMELL YA LATER
|
|
froggie53088
|
|
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: EG NY
Posts: 21
|
|
drew, il team kill u in real life
and then bag u til the end of time ya clown
|
|
i wanna be the very best like no one ever was....
|
|
LawDude
|
|
Full House
Join Date: Feb 2009
Posts: 940
|
|
I'll try to answer this seriously since everyone else brought the snark.
And the serious answer is yes, if you find you can't make optimal betting decisions, you are playing too many tables. This doesn't mean you won't get better and more efficient at making decisions in the future. I am sure you will, as you gain more experience and will be able to recognize scenarios that you have seen in the past. But until you reach that point, you need to play a small enough number of tables that you can think through your decisions when they arise.
Remember, also, to use the time button and take the time you need to think things through.
|
|
|
|
Stacks
|
|
4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Im opedipus bitch, the original balla.
Posts: 2,605
|
|
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by LawDude
I'll try to answer this seriously since everyone else brought the snark.
And the serious answer is yes, if you find you can't make optimal betting decisions, you are playing too many tables. This doesn't mean you won't get better and more efficient at making decisions in the future. I am sure you will, as you gain more experience and will be able to recognize scenarios that you have seen in the past. But until you reach that point, you need to play a small enough number of tables that you can think through your decisions when they arise.
Remember, also, to use the time button and take the time you need to think things through.
|
So your basically saying:
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by XxStacksxX
Play less tables until you get comfortable?
|
|
|
|
|
CBAT
|
|
Full House
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: NY
Posts: 831
|
|
Use the Time Button.
It helps. You can click it and then use the time bank to its fullest. Although once you use it up you lose it.
|
|
|
|
LawDude
|
|
Full House
Join Date: Feb 2009
Posts: 940
|
|
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by XxStacksxX
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by LawDude
I'll try to answer this seriously since everyone else brought the snark.
And the serious answer is yes, if you find you can't make optimal betting decisions, you are playing too many tables. This doesn't mean you won't get better and more efficient at making decisions in the future. I am sure you will, as you gain more experience and will be able to recognize scenarios that you have seen in the past. But until you reach that point, you need to play a small enough number of tables that you can think through your decisions when they arise.
Remember, also, to use the time button and take the time you need to think things through.
|
So your basically saying:
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by XxStacksxX
Play less tables until you get comfortable?
|
|
Oh, I know you answered it. But I think OP reacted as if you were just being sarcastic (and I don't deny that the original post merited some of that). So I thought I would present it in a more expository fashion.
|
|
|
|
CBAT
|
|
Full House
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: NY
Posts: 831
|
|
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by 1111111
It is not a WORK.
|
I'm not 100% sure what this means. But if you are trying to make money, and if playing more tables doesn't hurt your winrate then I don't see any problem in playing "20 tables." Make as much money as possible, isn't that the idea?
|
|
|
|
Stacks
|
|
4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Im opedipus bitch, the original balla.
Posts: 2,605
|
|
Oh dat hourly rate. 10bb/100 while netting 300 hands per hour [basically 5 tabling] is 30bb/hr. 5bb/100 while netting 800 hands per hour [~14 tabling] is 40bb/hr. I'll take the second one. And that's to say that your winrate drops that drastically. If you have adjusted to playing more tables, and still have time to make decisions, then your winrate might not have such a drop, and therefore it becomes even more profitable to play more tables.
|
|
|
|
LawDude
|
|
Full House
Join Date: Feb 2009
Posts: 940
|
|
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by XxStacksxX
Oh dat hourly rate. 10bb/100 while netting 300 hands per hour [basically 5 tabling] is 30bb/hr. 5bb/100 while netting 800 hands per hour [~14 tabling] is 40bb/hr. I'll take the second one. And that's to say that your winrate drops that drastically. If you have adjusted to playing more tables, and still have time to make decisions, then your winrate might not have such a drop, and therefore it becomes even more profitable to play more tables.
|
Something else to remember is that playing lots of tables leaves the player totally reliant on their heads up display and the statistics it provides. Obviously, these statistics are a godsend, and I would never say otherwise, but the 14 tabler is not doing individualized reads and is not watching the action, especially in hands he or she is not involved in. And this is going to have an effect, especially on post-flop play where what you've seen previously is a very important element in narrowing the player's range.
I suspect that a lot of extreme multitablers would actually become better poker players (and able to move up to higher limits) if they played fewer tables and got better at doing player-specific reads.
|
|
|
|
Stacks
|
|
4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Im opedipus bitch, the original balla.
Posts: 2,605
|
|
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by LawDude
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by XxStacksxX
Oh dat hourly rate. 10bb/100 while netting 300 hands per hour [basically 5 tabling] is 30bb/hr. 5bb/100 while netting 800 hands per hour [~14 tabling] is 40bb/hr. I'll take the second one. And that's to say that your winrate drops that drastically. If you have adjusted to playing more tables, and still have time to make decisions, then your winrate might not have such a drop, and therefore it becomes even more profitable to play more tables.
|
Something else to remember is that playing lots of tables leaves the player totally reliant on their heads up display and the statistics it provides. Obviously, these statistics are a godsend, and I would never say otherwise, but the 14 tabler is not doing individualized reads and is not watching the action, especially in hands he or she is not involved in. And this is going to have an effect, especially on post-flop play where what you've seen previously is a very important element in narrowing the player's range.
I suspect that a lot of extreme multitablers would actually become better poker players (and able to move up to higher limits) if they played fewer tables and got better at doing player-specific reads. |
I obviously agree with you here. While stats can tell you loads about a player, reads are going to be imminently more valuable. I think this is one of the major factors in the decrease in winrate when you add more tables. Not only do you have less time to react, but you also have a good bit less information. However, as I showed if the decrease is not incredibly significant, then from a money per hour perspective you are going to fair better playing more tables in most cases. Obviously each individual will reach a point in which either they truly feel comfortable, or they maximize their earning potential. Whether they stay at that point depends on the individual and their recognition of the situation.
|
|
|
|
LawDude
|
|
Full House
Join Date: Feb 2009
Posts: 940
|
|
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by XxStacksxX
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by LawDude
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by XxStacksxX
Oh dat hourly rate. 10bb/100 while netting 300 hands per hour [basically 5 tabling] is 30bb/hr. 5bb/100 while netting 800 hands per hour [~14 tabling] is 40bb/hr. I'll take the second one. And that's to say that your winrate drops that drastically. If you have adjusted to playing more tables, and still have time to make decisions, then your winrate might not have such a drop, and therefore it becomes even more profitable to play more tables.
|
Something else to remember is that playing lots of tables leaves the player totally reliant on their heads up display and the statistics it provides. Obviously, these statistics are a godsend, and I would never say otherwise, but the 14 tabler is not doing individualized reads and is not watching the action, especially in hands he or she is not involved in. And this is going to have an effect, especially on post-flop play where what you've seen previously is a very important element in narrowing the player's range.
I suspect that a lot of extreme multitablers would actually become better poker players (and able to move up to higher limits) if they played fewer tables and got better at doing player-specific reads. |
I obviously agree with you here. While stats can tell you loads about a player, reads are going to be imminently more valuable. I think this is one of the major factors in the decrease in winrate when you add more tables. Not only do you have less time to react, but you also have a good bit less information. However, as I showed if the decrease is not incredibly significant, then from a money per hour perspective you are going to fair better playing more tables in most cases. Obviously each individual will reach a point in which either they truly feel comfortable, or they maximize their earning potential. Whether they stay at that point depends on the individual and their recognition of the situation. |
The interesting question is whether a good player does better doing extreme multitabling at lower limits or playing only a few tables and doing more individualized reads at higher limits.
|
|
|
|
2ndline.4thstreet
|
|
Straight
Join Date: Feb 2009
Posts: 120
|
|
Play fewer tables.
And couldn't hurt to man up too.
|
|
|
|
froggie53088
|
|
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: EG NY
Posts: 21
|
|
well than i guess thats the verdict, im a newb and need to start slow
guess im gonna keep it at 3 tables for now
thanks guys
|
|
i wanna be the very best like no one ever was....
|
English
Deutsch
Español
Français
Italiano
Nederlands
Pусский
Svenska
05-26-2012, 03:08 PM Australia Legalized Online Poker coming up in next 6 to 12 Months
Linear Mode
