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silu73
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08-17-2006, 12:18 AM
Post subject: Moving up levels? A quick question.
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Full House
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This may or may not be a stupid question but I’m still learning the ins and outs of ring game play. To get my feet wet in ring games I started in 6-max $10NL as this is within my bankroll limit. I think that I have a good grip at this level now and want to move up. However, I do not think that my current bankroll of $500 can sustain a straight jump into $25NL 6-max.
Do you think that it is advisable to first go to full ring $25NL, try to master that and then if my bankroll allows it to move to 6-max $25NL? Or do you guys think that it is a bad idea to switch between 6-max and full ring?
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freechus9
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FR is easier in my opinion. Less swings, less need for reads, etc. If you are a good 6-max player, you'll be a good FR player. The opposite is not always true.
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Reidak
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Flush
Join Date: May 2006
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hey man, im doing the same thing you are right now. Ive got a $400 bankroll, and ive been playing FR 10 NL. I played FR 25NL for a few hours and its alot more swingy, and quite honestly a bit scary since i had 1/4 of my bankroll riding on 4 tables. Although i dont think im close to being as good at ring as you are, ive only logged about 6 hours on it, i (was) a SNG player and i was (and will still be) a MTT player (won $1400 about a week ago so im a beleiver now). Anyways to the point -- id advise sticking with FR and going to 25NL since ur bankroll is sufficient, or start playing 6 max 10NL until your comfortable with the quicker pace then move to 6 max 25NL. id say the FR is the safer route though.
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andy-akb
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4-of-a-Kind
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If you can beat 6max 10nl, why dont you think you can beat 25nl 6max? You have the BR and it can sustain the swings, you beat the lower level of the same game, the differences between the two are very minimal. Id suggest going to $25nl 6max and then dropping down if you dont do well with it. I see no reason to switch games now when you beat the lower levels of one.
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bantam222
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Straight
Join Date: Dec 2005
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full ring and 6-max are different games. I believe you would be better off just jumping to 25NL 6-max and keeping with what you know, then jumping in to 25NL full ring and have to adgust your game.
If you are playing more then one 10NL table you may want to consiter temperarly dropping down to 1 or 2 tables while you adgust.
You said you don't feel like your bankroll can sustain a straight jump into $25NL 6-max. You don't want to be playing scared when you move up, this will just make it harder. You may want to stay at 10NL and build your bank roll up a little more until you are more confident.
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Anosmic
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Originally Posted by Jishu
hey man, im doing the same thing you are right now. Ive got a $400 bankroll, and ive been playing FR 10 NL. I played FR 25NL for a few hours and its alot more swingy, and quite honestly a bit scary since i had 1/4 of my bankroll riding on 4 tables.
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I think this a major issue, you're not going to settle in with this kind of risk. Bankroll management is not just about having 20 buy-ins.
Quote:
http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...oker-36037.htm
"You can find the accurate numbers for a proper bankroll all over this great forum of ours. But I like 15-30 buyins for No Limit (Maybe even more for 6max), 300BB for limit and 15+ buyins for tournies (More for MTTs). If you play a little from column A (limit) and a little from columb B (Tournies or NL) a good rule of thumb for your bankroll size is never risk more than 5-10% of it on any given day.
The numbers might be a little off here or there but the idea is: If you're never risking much of your bankroll from day to day, you allow yourself to play your game risk-free. Losing money won't drive you to suicide *cough* And your back should never be against the wall. "
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I'd say 5% is probably a good number when first moving up. Which means if your roll is $500 you shouldn't have more than $25 in play at a time.
What I did was to have 1 $25NL table open and perhaps after a while open up 2 $10NL tables. I'd concentrate on the $25 more.
The swings are no bigger up at $25NL but they obviously feel bigger because it's an odd jump (you're going up 150%, lose an all-in and you've lost 2.5 buy ins at the old level. It's one of the weirder jumps as after that it's mostly 2x the last level).
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Originally Posted by silu_nz
Do you think that it is advisable to first go to full ring $25NL, try to master that and then if my bankroll allows it to move to 6-max $25NL? Or do you guys think that it is a bad idea to switch between 6-max and full ring?
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No. Don't jump limits and games, I'd say.
Probably not a bad idea to try a bit of FR down at $10 to see how you like it. But if 6-max is your game then stick with it.
Another idea is to set aside some money for your shot at $25NL, say 3-4 buy-ins (you can always wait until you have $550 or something) then if you lose that you can re-evaluate.
It's a mental trick that some seem to like. Stops them playing scared.
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biondino
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4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Apr 2005
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$25NL 6max is pretty fishy, but one thing you need to do is: if you recognise 2 or more decent players at a table, leave and find a fishier one. You don't want to be battling to break even against half the field, and sharing fishing duties with other good players. There are plenty of tables where none of the players have any real clue - find one of them instead.
Actually, identifying other players of quality is a vital factor at 6max - the fish can be beaten playing ABC poker but you need to know whether the better players are nitty, laggy, maniacal or whatever so you can adjust your game accordingly.
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Benoso
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Straight
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Wales, UK
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I've built my bankroll from $20 to $200 in these last few days playing $10NL 6Max. It was very risky playing $10NL 6Max with $20 but I really couldn't be fucked with playing $2NL/$4NL for days before being 'rolled for $10NL.
Anyway yeah, I'm gonna wait till I have $300 then move up to $20NL 6Max. I only ever play 6Max, 4/5 tables, to be honest I find full ring really boring, just being a robot there and playing the cards only. At least that's how I see it. Maybe it's that full ring doesn't suit my laggy game.
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flomo
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Full House
Join Date: Mar 2006
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i have $350 for a bankroll, i am going to try the 400NL full ring game on party where i'll be $50 short of full buyin. or should i try the $600NL game or 2 $200NL tables with one short $50 or 2 $200 with both short $25. any suggestions.
btw i can't beat the $25NL games, too many donks and fish
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jyms
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LimpinAintEZ
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definitely the $600 NL - all you gotta do is get 1 hand and youll surely be called - Nice double up, get the hell out, then take another $350 and do the same thing at a different table...after you have done this like 100 times, your going to be 1 rich mofo' and then you can write a book....Call it "how to turn $350 into wealth beyond belief" - 
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