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Old 08-05-2010, 08:25 PM     Post subject: Move up options #1 (permalink)  
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Originally deposited $100 on stars, bypassed the newbie circle of death, and through breaking every rule ground my way down to $24. Found FTR and started grinding back up. Bankroll is now $80. That's with unlocking $30 in bonuses. My winrate over 25,000 hands is 3.58bb/100 (HEM) or I guess 1.79ptbb/100. My winrate over the last 8000 hands is 18.72bb/100. I'm straight sick of 2nl and I think it's served it's purpose well.

So here's my options-

A) Keep grinding 2nl until I hit $150 and move up.
B) Grind up to $100 and take a shot at 5nl, move back down if I lose 4 buyins and re-evaluate.

C) Redeposit enough on stars to take a more comfortable shot. (this is a barely viable option right now as I'm pretty friggin broke right now, but it's doable)

Whaddaya think?
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Old 08-05-2010, 08:49 PM #2 (permalink)  
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 I think option B sounds like a good plan. You'll learn more at 5NL. The players spew less and you'll have to play well. But, you can do it. GL
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Old 08-05-2010, 08:58 PM #3 (permalink)  
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 B and it's not even close.
[00:29] <daven> dc, why not check turn behind
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Old 08-05-2010, 09:02 PM #4 (permalink)  
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 My goal for moving up to 10NL is to get 25 buyins and move back down if I drop below 20 buyins. Sounds like your plan B is similar, except only 20 buyins and a 4 buyin drop limit, which I think is reasonable if you're already beating 2NL. Good luck.
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B and it's not even close.
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fwiw $100 is super super standard for moving up and not "taking a shot" at all.
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Old 08-05-2010, 10:34 PM #6 (permalink)  
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 option B, I have always taken shots with 20 BI roll.

Playing slightly tighter when you move up makes your life easier.
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Old 08-05-2010, 10:43 PM #7 (permalink)  
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 Anyone that takes this game at least semi-seriously should be able to beat $5NL with only 10 buyins playing 4-6 tables at a time and same goes for $2NL. Flame away.
 
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Old 08-05-2010, 11:38 PM #8 (permalink)  
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 Exactly what I expected and wanted to hear. Anybody arguing against taking that shot now then?
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Old 08-05-2010, 11:46 PM #9 (permalink)  
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 Yup. I'm still keeping my vote with/for option B.
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Old 08-06-2010, 12:22 AM #10 (permalink)  
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Exactly what I expected and wanted to hear. Anybody arguing against taking that shot now then?
It's not taking a shot if you're moving up. They're entirely different things. Option 2 is my suggestion, moving up to 5nl with 20 BIs. Each level you go up, you should pad your bankroll a little more at a time in terms of buy-ins. So say you did 25 BIs for 10nl, 30 BIs for 25nl, etc., then once you get up to small stakes you'll already have a deeper bankroll for the smaller ptbb/100 win-rate to maintain a similar risk of ruin.
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Old 08-06-2010, 12:28 AM #11 (permalink)  
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 another option is to play 1 5nl table and the rest at 2nl so that you ease your way into 5nl, get comfortable and when you hit $90 add an extra 5$ and when you hit 100 move up so all tables are 5nl.
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Old 08-06-2010, 01:03 AM #12 (permalink)  
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 if you are sick of 2nl after 25,000 hands you should re-evaluate your long term goals if they exist.
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Old 08-06-2010, 01:21 AM #13 (permalink)  
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if you are sick of 2nl after 25,000 hands you should re-evaluate your long term goals if they exist.
Unfortunately my goals are shite due to my life rapidly changing, and sooner than I planned on. So re-evaluating them is necessary. However, I'm kinda slow and not really pickin up what your layin down so could you expand a little. Thanks.
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Old 08-06-2010, 01:41 AM #14 (permalink)  
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Unfortunately my goals are shite due to my life rapidly changing, and sooner than I planned on. So re-evaluating them is necessary. However, I'm kinda slow and not really pickin up what your layin down so could you expand a little. Thanks.
I'm saying you shouldn't really look at playing 25k hands at a given stake as a big deal. Like you say you are sick of 2nl but there are lots of things you can do to improve your game aside from playing. (not sure if what I say rlly makes sense but see recommendation below)

Before you move up I recommend posting your stats so far from 2nl and have us point out your glaring leaks. (Post positional stats since they are key) Then go back and play another 10k hands or so trying to fix some of those leaks and work on improving after taking in some advice. Although the sample size is relatively small, you could definitely improve your win rate and there will certainly be some glaring leaks we can point out for you before moving up to help you build a stronger foundation which in the end, should make moving up a lot smoother.
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Old 08-06-2010, 03:20 AM #15 (permalink)  
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 FML, epic fail!

This morning I transfered my PT3 database to HEM for trial. Now I can't figure out how to copy my stats here. I guess that's a leak in itself. It's kinda funny because I really don't tilt much actually playing poker, but if I can't figure out something simple on a computer, I instasnap and wanna throw it against the f'n wall. On the evolutionary tech scale I'm a step or two below this guy...



I'll get it figured out and get my stats posted here.
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Old 08-06-2010, 06:14 AM #16 (permalink)  
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 You can't Copy the stats. You have to do a screenshot. On a PC, hit the Alt & Print Screen keys at the same time. That will Copy the page of stats as a picture. Then you can Paste that into a graphics program. It's best if you can crop/edit the picture for size, but not necessary.

Once you have the pic, you can upload it to ImageShack for free. Then copy the link that they give you and paste into FTR forum.

If you've never done it, it may take a little time to figure out. After the first time, it's easy.
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 Fwiw it's just the print screen button. No need to for alt.

But yeah. Open up your stats on your screen. Hit Print Screen. Open up paint. Paste. Get the rectangle selection tool and select just the box of your stats so the image isn't huge. Then go to edit(i think) and select crop. Save as jpg or png and upload to photobucket or imageshack.
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Old 08-06-2010, 03:28 PM #18 (permalink)  
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 printscreen button copies your entire screen, so if your windows are resized and you're viewing several different things at once then it will copy this. It also includes the bottom task bar.

Alt+printscreen copies only the currently selected window and nothing else.
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I'd lean toward taking say $10 and using it to take a couple of shots at NL5. If you find that you feel reasonably comfortable, moving up with 20 buyins is somewhat on the skinny side but not outlandish. If you don't feel comfortable, you're not ready to move up regardless of how many buyins you have in your roll.
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 Okay, got it figured out. Thanks for the help guys. Here's the 8000h that pertain to how I'm playing now. That's where I've made some radical changes in my play. If you guys wanna see the entire 25,000 I'll post it but it'll really only be for entertainment value as it's lol awful. Sorry if the sizings screwy.

Oh yeah, I play fr but it looks like HEM bundled the early/mid positions together so it looks like 6max. Prolly an easy fix but don't have time to look at it right now. I also just noticed I missed the totals, vpip/pfr is like 13/9. Let me know if I need to add anything. Thanks again.
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Old 08-06-2010, 09:50 PM #21 (permalink)  
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 if you're planning on moving up undeerolled based on an 8k hand sample, don't imo
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if you're planning on moving up undeerolled based on an 8k hand sample, don't imo
Good point, That's not really the plan tho. By the time I hit 20 buyins for 5nl that sample should be quite a bit larger. I also think my skill set is gonna be fine for 5nl, it's more a question of variance vs bankroll.
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 Another shot with the totals and another 1000 hands or so.
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 Thanks everybody for the advice. I guess I'm gonna wait a little while and get a few more hands. Had a great friday night so I'm up to $90 now. That and 2 more $10 bonuses (1 first deposit and 1 stellar) coming soon will put me over the $100 mark so if things go well next week I'll be closer to being properly rolled for 5nl.

@Keith, I opened that file, got hella confused and closed it. I'll open it again when I have time to figure it out. Fwiw, I haven't had much use for a computer until I started playing online, so it takes me awhile to figure some stuff out. Learning new stuff comes fairly easy for me but I have a tendency to break things if I'm not careful. I'm gonna post something in the tools forum asking for help with this and some other stuff like sizing images correctly. Any help will be greatly appreciated.

@ Spoon, I think this thread is done. I'll start another with graphs and stats and shit so unless you have some thoughts on anything else I should add to that post you can lock this one.

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