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Old 01-04-2009, 09:59 AM     Post subject: More 5nl hands #1 (permalink)  
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Thanks to everyone who answered my first post your info helped alot, had a positive day today heres a few more winners and losers that troubled me

Hand 1- I think killed my action here, villians range mightve been 22+,A10+ random broadways

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MP1 ($5.15)
MP2 ($5.10)
CO ($4.78)
Button ($4.90)
SB ($1.90)
BB ($5.33)
UTG ($8.07)
Hero (UTG+1) ($8.06)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with K, Q
UTG calls $0.05, Hero raises to $0.25, 6 folds, UTG calls $0.20

Flop: ($0.57) 4, 9, 5 (2 players)
UTG bets $0.30, Hero calls $0.30

Turn: ($1.17) 8 (2 players)
UTG bets $0.70, Hero raises to $1.65, 1 fold

Total pot: $2.57 | Rake: $0.10

Hand 2- I feel like i butchered the crap out of this one... next time raise pre and bet flop?? As played fold river? he showed ak luckily villian was aggr 29/10

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Button ($10.65)
SB ($12.20)
Hero (BB) ($6.32)
UTG ($6.63)
UTG+1 ($11.45)
MP1 ($3.35)
MP2 ($1.23)
MP3 ($9.91)
CO ($11.65)

Preflop: Hero is BB with J, A
UTG calls $0.05, UTG+1 calls $0.05, 6 folds, Hero checks

Flop: ($0.17) J, 7, 5 (3 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $0.05, UTG+1 calls $0.05, Hero calls $0.05

Turn: ($0.32) 9 (3 players)
Hero bets $0.20, 1 fold, UTG+1 raises to $0.55, Hero calls $0.35

River: ($1.42) 2 (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 bets $1, Hero calls $1

Total pot: $3.42 | Rake: $0.15

Hand 3- This guy had only been at the table a few orbits and seemed aggro. Would anyone fold this pre?

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Button ($5.72)
SB ($3.62)
BB ($3.88)
UTG ($5)
UTG+1 ($2.67)
MP1 ($2.93)
MP2 ($7.12)
Hero (MP3) ($7.33)
CO ($1.17)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with A, Q
4 folds, Hero raises to $0.20, 3 folds, BB raises to $0.45, Hero calls $0.25

Flop: ($0.92) 6, 9, 5 (2 players)
BB bets $0.80, Hero folds

Total pot: $0.92 | Rake: $0

Hand 4- Should i be 3betting shortstacks?

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SB ($3.68)
Hero (BB) ($5.70)
UTG ($5.64)
MP1 ($1.70)
MP2 ($1.05)
CO ($5.24)
Button ($10.16)

Preflop: Hero is BB with K, A
UTG calls $0.05, MP1 raises to $0.30, 4 folds, Hero raises to $0.85, 1 fold, MP1 raises to $1.70 (All-In), Hero calls $0.85

Flop: ($3.47) 7, J, J (2 players, 1 all-in)

Turn: ($3.47) 5 (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($3.47) 7 (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $3.47 | Rake: $0.15
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ginozola
Old 01-04-2009, 10:56 AM #2 (permalink)  
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My effort.

Hand 1 - Flop call is marginal with villain betting into you. Lots of outs though. On turn I wouldn't have done anything different. If you call it's unlikely he fires for a third time on river. Calling might get a small call out of him if he checks river.

Hand 2 - Raise PF. On turn, bet approx 3/4 pot.

Hand 3 - Call is ok. You have position.

Hand 4 - He's unlikely to fold to your 3bet. Here, out of position, I'd call and see the flop. I don't like getting it all in with AKo. What's he raising from MP1 that we beat? AQ possible, maybe AJ. Not a lot else.
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Old 01-04-2009, 11:07 AM #3 (permalink)  
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Thanks for your respone ginozola. I will definatly be calling with the AK next time this comes up
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Old 01-04-2009, 12:13 PM #4 (permalink)  
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what? if you can't 3bet/call off with AKo, what hands can you? Especially vrs a shortstack.

Ginozola, i basically disagree with you everywhere.

Hand 1 is fine. Hand 2, If i checked preflop, i would lead this flop. Hand 3 is good. Calling is pretty bad. Hand 4 ship it!

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Old 01-04-2009, 12:33 PM #5 (permalink)  
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1) I like to raise my draw here probably 70% of time. For the reason that your usually more likely to get paid when you hit it, plus building a bigger pot before any scare cards kill action. Plus your equity against his range is pretty huge.

2) I'd usually check cause I just hate playing AJ oop. But raisings pretty close. Like rilla said... Lead flop. Hands sorta played out weird though, you beat all tpgk hands, I call this down. You'll see a set often though.

3) Depending on how agro the guys actually been I'd 4bet for value, even looking to get it in Preflop. Due to the fact that your going to have to give up alot of flops where your still ahead. This is obviously quite a high variance play. I dont know if people are going to agree with me or not, but just something to think about
edit: I misread, been in position would lead me abit more towards calling but 4beting still is better. Having position makes the hand play out alot easier postflop. I'd bet 100% if checked to

4) SHIP, AK vs shortie is instacall

 
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Old 01-04-2009, 12:38 PM #6 (permalink)  
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what? if you can't 3bet/call off with AKo, what hands can you? Especially vrs a shortstack.

Ginozola, i basically disagree with you everywhere.

Hand 1 is fine. Hand 2, If i checked preflop, i would lead this flop. Hand 3 is good. Calling is pretty bad. Hand 4 ship it!
H3, calling pf is pretty bad or the calling his bet on the flop? Calling his bet is horrible on the flop, but would you do anything different preflop?

H4, he's got 34bb. I loosen up some because of this but I stick by asking what hands he does this we we're confident of being ahead. Does he do this we AQ-AT, KT+, QT+? I dunno, that's why I asked.
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Old 01-04-2009, 12:44 PM #7 (permalink)  
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what? if you can't 3bet/call off with AKo, what hands can you? Especially vrs a shortstack.

Ginozola, i basically disagree with you everywhere.

Hand 1 is fine. Hand 2, If i checked preflop, i would lead this flop. Hand 3 is good. Calling is pretty bad. Hand 4 ship it!
H3, calling pf is pretty bad or the calling his bet on the flop? Calling his bet is horrible on the flop, but would you do anything different preflop?

H4, he's got 34bb. I loosen up some because of this but I stick by asking what hands he does this we we're confident of being ahead. Does he do this we AQ-AT, KT+, QT+? I dunno, that's why I asked.
It depends on whether hes a good shortie or a bad shortie, the odd sized stack would suggest the latter. We're either flipping or dominating him. Unless he has aa-kk, which is unlikely. calling with ak here isn't good because he's going to shove every flop, and your going to be missing most. Getting it allin preflop is what we want.

And for h3, rilla will be referring to calling pf I can imagine.

 
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Old 01-04-2009, 12:48 PM #8 (permalink)  
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what? if you can't 3bet/call off with AKo, what hands can you? Especially vrs a shortstack.

Ginozola, i basically disagree with you everywhere.

Hand 1 is fine. Hand 2, If i checked preflop, i would lead this flop. Hand 3 is good. Calling is pretty bad. Hand 4 ship it!
H3, calling pf is pretty bad or the calling his bet on the flop? Calling his bet is horrible on the flop, but would you do anything different preflop?

H4, he's got 34bb. I loosen up some because of this but I stick by asking what hands he does this we we're confident of being ahead. Does he do this we AQ-AT, KT+, QT+? I dunno, that's why I asked.
It depends on whether hes a good shortie or a bad shortie, the odd sized stack would suggest the latter. We're either flipping or dominating him. Unless he has aa-kk, which is unlikely. calling with ak here isn't good because he's going to shove every flop, and your going to be missing most. Getting it allin preflop is what we want.

And for h3, rilla will be referring to calling pf I can imagine.
Fair enough. I see your point about the bad spot on the flop. Thanks.
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Old 01-04-2009, 03:33 PM #9 (permalink)  
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what? if you can't 3bet/call off with AKo, what hands can you? Especially vrs a shortstack.

Ginozola, i basically disagree with you everywhere.

Hand 1 is fine. Hand 2, If i checked preflop, i would lead this flop. Hand 3 is good. Calling is pretty bad. Hand 4 ship it!
my thoughts exactly!!
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Old 01-04-2009, 05:51 PM #10 (permalink)  
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h3, I would always call preflop and fold the flop. I like shoving over calling honestly. And I'd just avoid both.

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Old 01-04-2009, 05:54 PM #11 (permalink)  
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hand 1, I may even put a big raise in on the flop. His leading range is likely all sets and weird pairs lower than a Q and lots of junk. If I had a hand of value, I'd want my opponent to think I can be raising flush draws and there are some reasons to raise here anyway, so I'd just do it.

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Old 01-04-2009, 05:55 PM #12 (permalink)  
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h3, I would always call preflop and fold the flop. I like shoving over calling honestly. And I'd just avoid both.
AQo isn't ideal hand to call vrs a 3bet without history but with position post flop vrs a BB who raises too small, we have to defend. Otherwise, he can resteal our button steals all day long.

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Old 01-04-2009, 05:56 PM #13 (permalink)  
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