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| wonderland |
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Hi Micro Machines It's the end of the month and i thought i'd get a thread going to see how some of us are getting along at the micro levels, see if we're getting enough work done and also discuss how poker is fitting into our lifestyle. I'll get the ball rolling with my stats and ask a few questions. Here goes, results for March: Stakes - 5nl (some 2nl at the very start of March) Total earnings - $79.75 Total hands - 7,634 Hours - 50.30 BB/100 - 12.02 Questions * Does anyone extract from their bankroll at this stage, i'm looking in the direction of the 25nlers really... or does the winnings just feed the bankroll to climb to the next stake * I have a full time job so i get in 2 hours a night on weeknights, maybe a couple of hours on the weekend. How do you fit poker into your lives assuming micro stakes is deffinitely a part time venture? * Anyone at these levels have a monthly learning budget for video sites, books, coaching etc.? * Goals for the next month. For me, i'm a little embarrassed at how many hands i've played, i play every single night for at least 2 hours, sep maybe saturday and so i was expecting more, but i've mainly been 2-tabling. Goals for next month are to get rolled for 10nl and learn about equity and 3betting. |
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| daven |
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I'm not there now, but it doesn't seem that long ago that i was grinding through 10 and 25nl. Quote:
There is heaps written on FTR about 3-betting, use the search and really try to understand. You need to understand equity first though. e.g. http://www.flopturnriver.com/blogs/a...kinsfan/page/1 and |
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you know i can't read your ghost sig bro, i've been internalising a really complicated situation in my head
allin, reload, repeat please read: http://www.philgalfond.com/lets-make-some-changes/
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| wonderland |
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Cheers Daven, I should add really... i started out (having juuust moved up) on just one table, then evened out at two. Recently been 3-tabling a bit and tonight i 4-tabled. Thing is, i was getting TOP reads at two tables. Like predicting very specific hands and shit. This gets weaker with more tables. Thanks for the link! |
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| hangchiong |
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Stakes 25NL http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r.../Unbenannt.jpg -I use some of my winnings to pay my rent.Being a Student makes everything so much harder -Havent really subscribe anything yet,but im getting a coach -Pawn 50NL like a bitch[/img] |
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| Schya |
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Here are my March stats minus today of course. 2NL and 5NL  
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| Micro2Macro |
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 Cash game winnings: $311.89 Tournament/HU SNG winnings: $160(ish) Total winnings for March: $471.89 (approx) I won't post stats for you dataminers, sorry :/ Wonderland: do not withdraw from the roll! If I were to withdraw from my roll at 2nl or 5nl I never would have been able to make this much this month (10nl with like 200 hands of 25nl). If you can do it, don't withdraw, you'll be stuck at micro's too long. Worry about withdrawing when you hit 25nl+. Even 25nl seems early, I'd probably wait till 50nl before doing anything. At that point I imagine it would have alot to do with your goals and where you want to take your game, or whether you'd prefer to just grind out at 25nl/50nl/100nl etc. and just take profit. |
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"Once we reach a certain level of mastery, we see there are higher levels and challenges. If we are disciplined and patient, we proceed. At each higher level, new pleasures and insights await us--ones not even suspected when we started out. We can take this as far as we want--in any human activity there is always a higher level to which we can aspire."
Check out my blog here! "You are a degenerate Gaam-balur" http://www.philgalfond.com/lets-make-some-changes/
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50NL is not much different. You can upload to imageshack or photobucket and use the img tags to to post the graphs. |
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| Pig_Vomit |
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 Meh. Start of the month took yet another shot at 25nl and ran incredible bad. Got drunk and lost a BI at 50nl. Regrinded 10nl and am now back at 25nl. Pretty crappy month but at the same time proud of myself for turning it around. |
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| L_Clan_Sup3rMaN |
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| Kbryce23 |
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Good month, besides the tilted downsing. Made it through 5NL this month and hoping the heater at 10nl continues so I can take a shot at 25nl soon. 
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| wonderland |
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Schya: your stats and graph look similar to mine except my graph got a lift out of the red early on. Went up-horizontal-up for 2nl, then climbed for 5nl. Micro Oh nooo, i aint withdrawing for a looong time. I'm running right up that hill to 50nl. And beyond. hangchiong nice graph. Not too much variance it seems. Sep around 30k. Cool that you're paying for stuff through poker though. vomit what a name. Yeah, just be glad you grinded it back (ground?). But do watch that itchy trigger finger. Nice and steady does it. Kbryce nice, well done, this is what i pray for, a pleasant transition to 10nl next month, bit nervous. Anyone? Also good BB/100, mine is stuck around 10/11 coz i keep getting stacked in spite of all my stackproof will! "YOU.... SHALL NOT... .STACK!!" Good work all round it seems. |
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| BooG690 |
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I wish my PokerTracker hadn't run out so I can post my stats. Either way...I consider this month a fail. I really wanted to get the hell out of 5NL but I am still stuck there. Hopefully by the end of April I can post that I am wrapping up 25NL (that'll be my goal). And Wonderland...we are both in the same boat. I am also dreaming of withdrawing, but I don't plan on doing so until 50NL (actually was considering waiting until 100NL). Either way...don't do it just yet! Let's grind our way out of this microstakes hell! 
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Boo, that's a steep goal, to get through the whole of 10nl in a month if a) you're having trouble with 5 because b) you're not running hud :/ I'd get a copy or find a 'magic' copy that somehow works </end wink> Stats forms the basis of things. Not sure if it was a coincidence or not but i got back on after 5 months away or so, no hud, lost, then got PT and started to kick ass again. I expect to grind some more, i'm at like $193 or something, and need at least $200 for 10nl, might go past it and get a little buffer zone actually. But when i'm clear of about $210 i'm going to post a FULL write up of how i did 5nl in about 5 weeks of 2hrs a day, 5 days a week. Nothing wonderful but might help some 2nl/beginning 5nl people. Would love to know how long people are playing for each day/week? |
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| dranger7070 |
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Well since this seems to be the cool thing to do (lol): lolheaterments ftw This was by far my most profitable month ever at poker (well, online that is  ). I have no clue how much I won/lost at SnG/MTT but its probs somewhere close to b/e. Cash- +$208 Bonus from kettleofish- $50 Total- $258 Couple of things that I've done different this month is switch to FR and become uber nit. Seems to be going extremely well. I plan on 12 tabling 10nl next month, achieving silverstar, and taking shots at 25nl at $500 BR. I won't be withdrawing for a long time (probly 50nl+) although I have worked out a "rakeback" option, but I'm not sure how well it will work, I'll post results/method after April is over. O yea, Ive played 18k hands of cash. Dunno about sng's and whatnot. |
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| BooG690 |
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No no, I've been using PT but the trial ran out on Sunday. I won't be playing for a week since I have to study for a midterm (though I'm spending more time on these forums than doing that). Afterwards, I will be DLing HEM and making a choice between that and PT. I definitely wouldn't be able to do it without HUD. And I think I can run through 10NL in a month...and if not, why not aim for the sky? I fucked up my month by getting tangled in HU tourneys (that I just SUCK at) and some bad beats that put me on tilt. It was my first real experience with a series of shitty beats and bad spots...but it is my fault for letting it get to me. Hopefully I learned from these mistakes...but I won't know exactly until the situation comes again. I usually play every day (with Friday and Saturday sometimes being exceptions due to my damn social life getting in the way) for 3-4 hours 4-tabling. I play about 800-900 hands a night...but don't put a cap on anything and will leave early if I feel it's right. I don't look at my PokerTracker while playing so nothing is exact (by the way...not looking at your PokerTracker is a HUGE help). |
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That's how winners play; we convince the other guy he's making all the right moves.
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| Micro2Macro |
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dranger that graph is sick, nice job! you'll be at 25nl before u know it hangchiong you own 25nl, sick volume too and nice profit. gl @ 50nl. |
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"Once we reach a certain level of mastery, we see there are higher levels and challenges. If we are disciplined and patient, we proceed. At each higher level, new pleasures and insights await us--ones not even suspected when we started out. We can take this as far as we want--in any human activity there is always a higher level to which we can aspire."
Check out my blog here! "You are a degenerate Gaam-balur" http://www.philgalfond.com/lets-make-some-changes/
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| Outlaw |
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   Made a few more bucks on the laptop so about +$210 for the month playing mostly 6max 2NL and a few days of 5NL towards the end. Had only one losing day so its all good. Goals for next month: 1. Get to 10NL 2. Make $300 3. Play 30k hands |
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"Once we reach a certain level of mastery, we see there are higher levels and challenges. If we are disciplined and patient, we proceed. At each higher level, new pleasures and insights await us--ones not even suspected when we started out. We can take this as far as we want--in any human activity there is always a higher level to which we can aspire."
Check out my blog here! "You are a degenerate Gaam-balur" http://www.philgalfond.com/lets-make-some-changes/
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Explain...what I do for a living without saying "I make monies in da 600 enels by pwnin' tha donk bitches". Instead I say "I'm a online financial redistribution broker". - Sasquach991
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| dranger7070 |
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Looks like everyone (except for pigvomit ( ) had a pretty good month. Lets hope this trend continues for everyone!And I also forgot to mention in my post, I had JUST moved to 5nl at the beginning of march, pwned it, got a $50 bonus from kettleofish which bumped me up a decent amount, took a shot at 10nl ran like baby jebus with nikes and stayed there. I think I've only had like one losing day so far since moving to 10nl which is sick, but I'm not complaining lol. I should be getting another $50 bonus from a guy that I've been lending small amounts of $$$ to on stars so he can play small MTTs/sngs sometime in the next couple weeks which should put me over $400. I hope to be taking a shot at 25nl by mid-april. |
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Outlaw, craaazy stats. One losing day! i thought i was going to have that, then i hit my 3 buy-in downer and since then play has been strange. More variance. Keep getting my aces busted. Quick question. How many buy-ins are people taking to 10nl? i have like $193, should i just go up when i have $200. I'm beating 5 but not killing it... is that good enough? |
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| dranger7070 |
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I moved up at $200, but if you aren't beating 5nl for a decent clip (like 4-5ptbb/100) I wouldn't move up. Make sure you can beat the game you're at before moving up. Although, 10nl isn't very difficult, it IS a bit harder than 5nl (obviously). Good luck when you do move up though
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There's a few more 'regular' grinders, you'll see a few goldstar mass mutitabling nits or whatever, but tbh they are horrible. Once you figure out where they're coming from you can exploit them all day and they won't adjust. So the play tightens up a bittt, but quality of play is just as bad. There's a little less open limping prelfop since there's a few more tight players, but other than that the only other key thing I noticed was effective stacks. Since you can't buy in for more than 100bb, there are now 20bb stacks you'll need to adjust to and may require a few seat changes here and there to keep you out of tricky spots. It's still really juicy though, you either steal from the nits or get the fish to stack off light to you - ez game. Just remember your win rate will probably drop a bit as you move up in stakes so don't be discouraged if it does a little when you get to 10nl. |
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"Once we reach a certain level of mastery, we see there are higher levels and challenges. If we are disciplined and patient, we proceed. At each higher level, new pleasures and insights await us--ones not even suspected when we started out. We can take this as far as we want--in any human activity there is always a higher level to which we can aspire."
Check out my blog here! "You are a degenerate Gaam-balur" http://www.philgalfond.com/lets-make-some-changes/
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 <@d0zer> how will you learn if I don't berate you harshly?
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Even lowly AJ and 88 was a bigger winner for me.I am moving to 10NL at $300. That way I have to gain 35 buy-ins at 5NL and 40 buy-ins at 10NL to move up. I like to try and spend equal time in the levels as I start to go insane if I am stuck at one for too long. If I moved up at $200 I'd only have to gain 15 buy-ins at 5NL and then 50 buy-ins at 10NL! Maybe its a mental thing but I would rather have consistent move up points then feel "stuck" at a specific level for too long. Besides, my goal isn't to fly up to the nosebleed stakes, its the learn the game and let the money come when it comes. Its like trying to run a marathon without training first. It seems some people like to try and catch a bus to the finish line. I prefer to pace myself and "pay my dues" to get there. |
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Also, there is nothing wrong with someone (like myself) for taking a shot at a higher level. Don't make me out to be someone who is in some type of "rush" to get up to the higher levels. Sure, thats an added bonus, but I also felt that my game was good enough for 10nl at the time, so I took my shot and it stuck. I will be doing the same at 25nl when I take my shot at $500. I still have a stop-loss in place so it makes no difference (if you have 20BI's+) to take a shot at a higher level if you feel comfortable doing so. My risk tolerance is obviously higher than yours, that is all. If I am taking this way too far I apologize lol, it just seemed like you were trying to make some sort of "example" out of me for taking a shot. I don't hate on the guys that spend more time at a stake, so I don't expect them to come at me when I pass them by. |
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Dranger, if you are talking about me, I wasn't trying to insult anyone. I was responding to wonderland's post... not yours. I was just trying to make a point that BR increases faster than skill generally and that I've seen some people (no one in particular) trying to move up too fast. What path a proven winner takes is their business. My post was directed at marginal winning players at micros wanting to fly up and get pwned at higher stakes. I don't consider you in that group. |
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Stakes - 5nl Total earnings - $51.56 Total hands - 6,294 Hours - 21.06 bb/100 - 16.38 |
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| dranger7070 |
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 Ah wells, glad I don't have to go all spew monkey all over the forum now
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Man i just had a tough night... up almost a buyin... down almost two... then up again to finish more than 2 buy-ins up *collapse* VARIANCE. Fucking win rate won't budge! stuck at 10. Embarrassing, i beat 2 for almost 12 and i've grown a lot since then in skill. Throat is sore for screaming at a whole buy-in lost with full house over full house. Man i get emotional. Attach SO much to the game coz i hate my job. Some funny agro happening here guys... it's usually me, and not because i'm taking it the wrong way but because people are just plain FUCKING on me. Had to ask the mods to remove the post i was getting such a beating. I swear i was in the right though but Dranger, i too can pull the knives out on here sometimes, but Outlaw didn't mean anything, you have to be at least playing 100nl to be trully condescending on here *oooh controversy*But i digress. We're pretty much all doing at least good if not very good. But then we're sensible and playing low stakes which = $$. |
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+$330 in cash, $100 bonus, +11 in DBLorNothngs and tournaments First full month since the summer time. $50NL here I come!  YEP YEP - a little downswing to end the month. |
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"Once we reach a certain level of mastery, we see there are higher levels and challenges. If we are disciplined and patient, we proceed. At each higher level, new pleasures and insights await us--ones not even suspected when we started out. We can take this as far as we want--in any human activity there is always a higher level to which we can aspire."
Check out my blog here! "You are a degenerate Gaam-balur" http://www.philgalfond.com/lets-make-some-changes/
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| HU 4 ROLLZ? I GOTS LIKE $800 NOW TO GAMBOOOOOL! | |||||
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"Once we reach a certain level of mastery, we see there are higher levels and challenges. If we are disciplined and patient, we proceed. At each higher level, new pleasures and insights await us--ones not even suspected when we started out. We can take this as far as we want--in any human activity there is always a higher level to which we can aspire."
Check out my blog here! "You are a degenerate Gaam-balur" http://www.philgalfond.com/lets-make-some-changes/
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"Once we reach a certain level of mastery, we see there are higher levels and challenges. If we are disciplined and patient, we proceed. At each higher level, new pleasures and insights await us--ones not even suspected when we started out. We can take this as far as we want--in any human activity there is always a higher level to which we can aspire."
Check out my blog here! "You are a degenerate Gaam-balur" http://www.philgalfond.com/lets-make-some-changes/
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