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Old 07-14-2008, 05:54 PM     Post subject: Misplayed this? Or cooler #1 (permalink)  
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PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.02 BB (9 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

MP2 ($0.75)
MP3 ($3.10)
CO ($4.97)
Button ($9.08)
Hero ($3.15)
BB ($1.06)
UTG ($1.68)
UTG+1 ($1.73)
MP1 ($4.56)

Preflop: Hero is SB with J, J.
3 folds, MP2 calls $0.02, MP3 calls $0.02, 2 folds, Hero raises to $0.12, 1 fold, MP2 folds, MP3 calls $0.10.

Flop: ($0.29) 2, 4, 5 (2 players)
Hero bets $0.25, MP3 calls $0.25.

Turn: ($0.79) 9 (2 players)
Hero bets $0.5, MP3 calls $0.50.

River: ($1.79) A (2 players)
Hero bets $0.5, MP3 calls $0.50.

Final Pot: $2.79

He showed QQ and took it down
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Old 07-14-2008, 05:58 PM #2 (permalink)  
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I don't have any objection. It's a draw-heavy board so you might raise more on the turn. I think the bet on the river is good. Don't be too scared of the A... If you bet less or check here, he might raise with 67, 3x realizing you had an overpair to the board and are afraid he hit the A.
Ax is certainly a very possible hand. Many players don't like to give up Ax, plus they got a straight draw here, so... virtually the nuts. But still.
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Old 07-14-2008, 06:00 PM #3 (permalink)  
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Looks fine to me.
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Old 07-14-2008, 06:03 PM #4 (permalink)  
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I think you lost the minimum. If he wasn't an idiot he could have had all your chips rather easily in that hand.
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Old 07-14-2008, 06:10 PM #5 (permalink)  
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another hand. was this the correct fold?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.02 BB (9 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

MP1 ($2.30)
MP2 ($5.52)
MP3 ($5.01)
CO ($9.07)
Hero ($1.75)
SB ($1.03)
BB ($1.58)
UTG ($3)
UTG+1 ($4.68)

Preflop: Hero is Button with K, K.
UTG calls $0.02, UTG+1 calls $0.02, MP1 calls $0.02, MP2 calls $0.02, 2 folds, Hero raises to $0.14, 2 folds, UTG calls $0.12, UTG+1 folds, MP1 calls $0.12, MP2 folds.

Flop: ($0.49) A, 8, 8 (3 players)
UTG checks, MP1 bets $0.08, Hero calls $0.08, UTG folds.

Turn: ($0.65) J (2 players)
MP1 bets $0.24, Hero folds.

Final Pot: $0.65

Results in white below:
No showdown. MP1 wins $0.65.
 
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Old 07-14-2008, 06:22 PM #6 (permalink)  
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Either raise on the flop to see where you're at or call the turn.

I would raise on the flop simply because of the draw. There probably aren't too many players who do that at these stakes, but he's giving himself the right odds if he has a flushdraw. He might put you on an A and just doesn't want you to make a beefy follow-up bet that would make it incorrect for him to call... plus you are less likely to put him on a draw if he does bet it.
It's not a horrible play to fold on the turn, because you can't beat much, but it's very conservative.
You've already shown weakness by just calling on the flop. There's another reason to make that call.
Again, my vote goes to an information-raise on the flop.
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Old 07-14-2008, 06:32 PM #7 (permalink)  
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Either raise on the flop to see where you're at or call the turn.

I would raise on the flop simply because of the draw. There probably aren't too many players who do that at these stakes, but he's giving himself the right odds if he has a flushdraw. He might put you on an A and just doesn't want you to make a beefy follow-up bet that would make it incorrect for him to call... plus you are less likely to put him on a draw if he does bet it.
It's not a horrible play to fold on the turn, because you can't beat much, but it's very conservative.
You've already shown weakness by just calling on the flop. There's another reason to make that call.
Again, my vote goes to an information-raise on the flop.
i raised preflop by quite a bit (3x+1per limp ish) so i figured SOMEONE had an ace. especially since i got two callers. This is why i opted to not raise on the flop because i was pretty sure he had at least A-xs
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Old 07-14-2008, 06:38 PM #8 (permalink)  

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I think he misplayed the hand (the first one you posted), way too passive. The only scare card for him was the Ace, considering the probability of you have ace-trey for a straight on the flop is pretty small.

As for the second one, i like your line of thinking but i would've tried a raise there aswell.
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Old 07-14-2008, 07:51 PM #9 (permalink)  
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i raised preflop by quite a bit (3x+1per limp ish) so i figured SOMEONE had an ace. especially since i got two callers. This is why i opted to not raise on the flop because i was pretty sure he had at least A-xs
The problem with just calling on the flop is that you look weak. You're giving him the right price to draw, if he is drawing, and you have no idea where you're at on the turn. If he re-raises you on the flop, you can safely lay it down. If you get called, continue with caution. It's more about information than anything else. You can't fold kings just because someone bets 1/2 pot here, and a raise tells you where you're at. I'm not telling you to raise for value.
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Old 07-14-2008, 07:54 PM #10 (permalink)  
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I think he misplayed the hand (the first one you posted), way too passive. The only scare card for him was the Ace, considering the probability of you have ace-trey for a straight on the flop is pretty small.

As for the second one, i like your line of thinking but i would've tried a raise there aswell.
What should he do? over-bet the pot?
The Ace is pretty scary. All kinds of Ax combinations get a piece of that flop, and a lot of players at these stakes will call you down with these hands. There aren't too many other possible hands considering the pre-flop raise.
99 made a set - QQ, KK had you in the first place... leaves the opponent with possibly crap or 77, 88. Not too much there a pair of jacks would beat that would call bigger bets here.
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Old 07-14-2008, 09:20 PM #11 (permalink)  

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I think he misplayed the hand (the first one you posted), way too passive. The only scare card for him was the Ace, considering the probability of you have ace-trey for a straight on the flop is pretty small.

As for the second one, i like your line of thinking but i would've tried a raise there aswell.
What should he do? over-bet the pot?
The Ace is pretty scary. All kinds of Ax combinations get a piece of that flop, and a lot of players at these stakes will call you down with these hands. There aren't too many other possible hands considering the pre-flop raise.
99 made a set - QQ, KK had you in the first place... leaves the opponent with possibly crap or 77, 88. Not too much there a pair of jacks would beat that would call bigger bets here.
The guy with the bigger pair, not our hero. You dont just call a bet in a drawing flop like that one. Like i said, the villain misplayed the hand, he could've easily stole all our hero's chips.
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Old 07-14-2008, 09:46 PM #12 (permalink)  
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your KK hand is lol... 3bet preflop all the time with KK (to balance this you should 3bet with some worse hands too such as 99-QQ)

your JJ hand is also lol... not because you played too bad (even though your river and turn bets are super weak)... just that he was so horrible in not raising you on flop or turn...

be more agressive, you'll get more coolers, but you'll also get more value
 
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Old 07-14-2008, 10:31 PM #13 (permalink)  
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Hand 1) Villain actually played this hand real poor, not you
Hand 2) As played
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