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mulhollanddrive
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07-17-2006, 05:08 PM
Post subject: min-betting, can it ever be effective?
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my question is, is it ever ok to min-bet post flop? It's never advised in any hand-history type threads, but thought of situations where it could work.
EG, at 10NL or less, where a lot of casual players like to click on the bet sign for the min bet. If the pot was $6 and you bet 10c-50c with a very strong hand into a good opponent, that opponent may see it as a run of the mill weak bet by a bad player, meaning he would put you on a weak hand and raise it.
There are probably other examples, but what are people's thoughts? Can it be a better play than checking sometimes?
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a500lbgorilla
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jackvance
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So you're gonna minbet your monster into passive players who generally like to call.. btw, the fish do that too. It's not a novel idea.
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a500lbgorilla
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dont try to induce bluffs until you know how to induce bluffs.
You're hoping.
Just bet and let the bad players call down like the always do.
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Smithers, use the amnesia ray.
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IowaSkinsFan
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I min bet sometimes when it is half the pot.
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andy-akb
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Minbetting does have its places and people are way too closed minded about it. If you have a specific read that somebody nearly always makes a very aggressive raise [more than they would otherwise simply bet] when faced with a minbet, or push against a minraise then it is a viable option, but dont overuse it or they will catch on. Typically though, I dont minbet postflop unless its in a very specific situation. In a blind battle with only you and the SB and a very small pot I will often minbet to take it down. It does get called more than say a 1.25BB bet would so I usually dont do it on draw heavy board but on fairly dry boards when I have some kind of hand but nothing too strong.
The minbet has its places, there just arent many of them and most require reads.
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"Minbetting does have its places and people are way too closed minded about it."
No it doesnt. Unless you minbet at the guy and showdown a weak hand to SET UP getting bluff raised, stick to not inducing bluffs.
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Smithers, use the amnesia ray.
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Miffed22001
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on the river when your opp bets into you and he might call the raise, otherwise no, and really you shud be making a real raise for value.
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Originally Posted by Miffed22001
on the river when your opp bets into you and he might call the raise, otherwise no, and really you shud be making a real raise for value.
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That's min raising and it has it's place.
Like if op pots it after some big preflop action and you flopped a set. MINRAISE!
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Smithers, use the amnesia ray.
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Pelion
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There are a few weak players who dont like to raise bets (even minbets). Against these you can minbet a draw and they wont raise it without a pretty strong hand meaning you can draw with the correct odds in a situation where they would have bet half pot or more had you checked.
You wont find this too often though. 99% of the time i minbet is a misclick and I dont minbet very often.
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TripsChaos
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If a player min bets into me into a pot where his bet is so small that it doesnt have any value, I act as if he checked and bet what I would normally.
Min betting is probably the worst, most non-decpetive move when blinds are small.
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I think one of the worst places where minbetting is common is when on a flush draw. I'm all for semi-bluffing in the right places but a minbet neither builds a decent pot or gets people to fold. Plus once you spot a player with this habit, it makes their play very transparent.
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Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla
"Minbetting does have its places and people are way too closed minded about it."
No it doesnt. Unless you minbet at the guy and showdown a weak hand to SET UP getting bluff raised, stick to not inducing bluffs.
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Did you read the example I gave? I never mentioned inducing bluffs without a strong read and I never said how we would get this read. With a strong read that somebody will almost always put in more against a minbet than they would against a check ro regular sized bet it is a good play, these situations do come up and there are players that do that. In a blind v. blind situation where the pot is 2bb [minus the rake] a minbet is fine.
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Originally Posted by andy-akb
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Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla
"Minbetting does have its places and people are way too closed minded about it."
No it doesnt. Unless you minbet at the guy and showdown a weak hand to SET UP getting bluff raised, stick to not inducing bluffs.
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Did you read the example I gave? I never mentioned inducing bluffs without a strong read and I never said how we would get this read. With a strong read that somebody will almost always put in more against a minbet than they would against a check ro regular sized bet it is a good play, these situations do come up and there are players that do that. In a blind v. blind situation where the pot is 2bb [minus the rake] a minbet is fine. |
The problem with this discussion is is that yes there are very rare instances where minbetting is fine.
If you've found someone who raises everytime you minbet then calls the raise and fold the turn, do you really need me to tell you the best play.
But once people start trying to find places to minbet (which are rare), they're incorporating a bad tactic into their game and will undoubtedly minbet in the many instances when it's wrong.
And yes, minbetting is fine blind v blind.
But as a very simple rule, don't bet less than 1/2 the pot.
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Smithers, use the amnesia ray.
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