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Old 08-27-2010, 03:42 AM     Post subject: Meh 25NL #1 (permalink)  
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 villain is 13/9 over 208
67% fold to 3b
he's been isoing the guy befor ehim a ton who is 84/0
His timing was to request time, wait 4 seconds and then shove.

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UTG+1 ($25)
MP1 ($27.33)
MP2 ($37.34)
CO ($27)
Button ($10.22)
Hero (SB) ($46.30)
BB ($28.27)
UTG ($25)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q, Q
3 folds, MP2 calls $0.25, CO bets $1.10, 1 fold, Hero raises to $4.25, 2 folds, CO calls $3.15

Flop: ($9) 10, 7, 9 (2 players)
Hero bets $6, CO raises to $22.75 (All-In)

Total pot: $21

Doesn't fold often to cbets and has raised 2/9. It's kinda a shitty spot since I block two fair amount of the hands he could be shoving here that I beat. What sort of range would you all put him on here? I did my own already and I'll post it a little later. Also, my flop sizing was a little fucked because I almost timeout folded. I meant for it to be more like 5.25 which can come off as a little less committing to someone who pays attention to bet sizing.
[00:29] <daven> dc, why not check turn behind
[00:30] <DC> daven
[00:30] <DC> on my hand?
[00:30] <daven> yep
[00:30] <DC> because I am drunk
[00:30] <daven> nice reason
[00:30] <daven> no further questions
[00:30] <yaawn> ^^Lol

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Old 08-27-2010, 04:31 AM #2 (permalink)  
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 youy need to provide reads on you to be able to put villain on an accurate range cos he's fo sho running a HUD etc.

villain was probably me cos i've been spewing da 25enelles the last few days. And shoving a lot of junk.
i have AsK, spade broadways, 88+ most of the time here.
don't raise with the straight flush bro, nobody ever gonna call that shit
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Old 08-27-2010, 01:23 PM #3 (permalink)  
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 I was running ~17/12 with 4% 3b. There was kind of an interesting dynamic at this table because of the 84/0 directly to this players right because I had shown down some pretty questionable hands for value against him and the villain in this hand was clearly isoing him pretty often. The only problem with him shoving spade broadways is that I block KsQs and QsJs which only leaves KsJs and the aces.

I'm calling 16.75 to win 37.75 and I think he'd have to have way more junk than is in his range to make this call correct.

My main question actually is about the flop. I feel like I kind of have to bet this, but then again c/c or c/r might get him to bet some air or bad draw hands like AK with one spade. If I had to put him on a specific hand using his timing as a definite tell it'd have to be either 99 or TT, but anyway, I'd like some thoughts on how to play this flop.
[00:29] <daven> dc, why not check turn behind
[00:30] <DC> daven
[00:30] <DC> on my hand?
[00:30] <daven> yep
[00:30] <DC> because I am drunk
[00:30] <daven> nice reason
[00:30] <daven> no further questions
[00:30] <yaawn> ^^Lol

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Old 08-27-2010, 02:03 PM #4 (permalink)  
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 Ok so I gave him 88+ with only 4 combo's of AA and 3 of KK. AsKs AsJs KsJs and QJs, I don't know if he's flatting T9s+ in this spot but if he is it makes it easier. Other hands like AsK and AsQ bulk out his range.

On the flop I don't really like a c/c, c/r seems ok but I think bet/calling $5 is fine here.
 
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Old 08-27-2010, 04:31 PM #5 (permalink)  
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 against 88+ w/ 3 combos each of AA and KK we have 43% equity and need 44% to make this a call...If you add in AsJs, AsKs and AsKx then you have 46% equity...so its pretty marginal spot either way
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Old 08-27-2010, 05:36 PM #6 (permalink)  
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against 88+ w/ 3 combos each of AA and KK we have 43% equity and need 44% to make this a call...If you add in AsJs, AsKs and AsKx then you have 46% equity...so its pretty marginal spot either way
We need 31% equity tho...

16.75/(16.75+37.75)
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Old 08-27-2010, 05:38 PM #7 (permalink)  
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 doing mathematics blazed out of your skull is not win....but yea so easy call then
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Old 08-27-2010, 05:42 PM #8 (permalink)  
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lol, I have made the same mistake numerous times...
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Old 08-27-2010, 06:02 PM #9 (permalink)  
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 hero snap folds
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hero snap folds
even against 99+ with 3 combos of KK and AA each we still have 35% :-/,

if he is doing this everytime with aces and kings then we have 30% equity so its a fold by a hair, theres def enough other shit in his range and not enough aces and kings that this is a call for sure
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Old 08-27-2010, 08:51 PM #11 (permalink)  
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 We're looking at AA, 99, TT, 77, and mebbe sometimes 88. This is a nit and theres no other shit in his range.
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 also i wouldnt bet moar than like $4 on this flop
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Old 08-27-2010, 09:03 PM #13 (permalink)  
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also i wouldnt bet moar than like $4 on this flop
Cool, yeah 6 is too committing looking. Do you still bet this flop like always?
[00:29] <daven> dc, why not check turn behind
[00:30] <DC> daven
[00:30] <DC> on my hand?
[00:30] <daven> yep
[00:30] <DC> because I am drunk
[00:30] <daven> nice reason
[00:30] <daven> no further questions
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Old 08-27-2010, 11:36 PM #14 (permalink)  
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 6/shove turn is fine. Dunno why you'd want to leave 18 behind w/ 17 in the pot on the turn. Yeah fold now, he isn't shoving JJ luhlz @ ppl who think he is.
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Old 08-28-2010, 01:44 AM #15 (permalink)  
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youy need to provide reads on you to be able to put villain on an accurate range cos he's fo sho running a HUD etc.

villain was probably me cos i've been spewing da 25enelles the last few days. And shoving a lot of junk.
i have AsK, spade broadways, 88+ most of the time here.
which makes it a fold obviously
don't raise with the straight flush bro, nobody ever gonna call that shit
allin, reload, repeat

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Old 08-28-2010, 07:34 AM #16 (permalink)  
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Old 08-28-2010, 05:23 PM #17 (permalink)  
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Come on guys. Hes a 13/9 facing a 3bet. How often is he really calling KJs pre. I also question how much hes really been iso-raising if hes only ended up at 13/9.

His timing also looks way more like a sneaky aces/ sets than it does like a semibluff to me.
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