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Old 08-20-2008, 09:39 PM     Post subject: May need to refine my bet sizing here. #1 (permalink)  
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UTG ($3.04)
MP ($7.70)
Button ($4.92)
Hero ($10.69)
BB ($4.96)

Preflop: Hero is SB with K, K.
UTG raises to $0.16, MP calls $0.16, Button calls $0.16, Hero raises to $0.7, 1 fold, UTG calls $0.56, MP calls $0.56, Button calls $0.56.

Flop: ($2.90) 9, 5, 7 (4 players)

Final Pot: $2.90
I know this probably isn't a very controversial situation, but I was wondering what your thoughts are on bet sizing here.
I think I could have made it a little more to go pre-flop, but I don't really mind 2 calls here. The third one wasn't necessary, but I don't really mind.
I think I might have outpriced myself a little on the flop. I bet 2.5 and everybody folded. But I really think I could have made it more pre-flop.
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Old 08-20-2008, 10:33 PM #2 (permalink)  
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I've wondered the same thing, I see you reraised 4x(original raise) +1(original raise) per caller. And that's been my approach. I just wanted to 2nd the question.
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Old 08-20-2008, 10:37 PM #3 (permalink)  
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X+Y formulas suck monkey balls.

Figuring out a pot sized raise per the maximum size allowed by pot-limit is useful for seeing just how much you're under-bettting the pot.

I'd go $1 even because it's a nice number and sets up a flop push against most of those stacks.
 
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Old 08-20-2008, 10:48 PM #4 (permalink)  
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i read a post here a long time ago about how many callers you want with AA, and there was an ideal situation with 9 callers, for all of their stack, as it being the most +EV. Of course, it considered AA would win the hand just a few times, but more than 10%, so that was +EV. It´s a very interesting post to read if you can find it.

In your case, i think you played it very well, the pre reraise was fine IMO, i wouldnt expect so many callers normally, but whatever. Also, i would really hit the brakes if one or more than one called the flop bet, worrying about trips, or AA, although there´s a wider range that would call your cbet(QQ;JJ;TT;a lot of SCs; maybe even ATs+)
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A flop bet commits you to the hand. Something you should be thinking about pre-flop.

This hand is so easy, because you're felting on the vast majority of flops and don't even have to bother putting anyone on a range. If they show you a better hand, laugh (it helps) and reload.
 
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Old 08-22-2008, 12:54 AM #6 (permalink)  
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Here's bet sizing try nr.2 - same situation.
Kind of convenient. Worked better than I could have hoped for. I guess I'll bet more in the future.
(note that this is not normal even for 5NL at Party... I think people are following me)


Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $0.00 BB (8 handed) - Party Poker Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Hero (SB) ($14.83)
BB ($2.50)
UTG ($9.85)
UTG+1 ($2.50)
MP1 ($2.48)
MP2 ($5.00)
CO ($1.96)
Button ($1.94)

Preflop: Hero is SB with K K
UTG+1 raises to $0.16, UTG calls $0.16, MP1 calls $0.16, 2 folds, Button calls $0.16, 1 fold, Hero raises to $1.16, UTG+1 calls $1.04, UTG calls $1.04, 2 folds

Flop: ($3.94) 10 9 9 (3 players)
Hero bets $3.00, 1 fold

Turn: ($3.94) 4 (2 players)

River: ($3.94) 4 (2 players)

Total pot: $3.94

Results in white below:
Hero had K K (two pair, Kings and nines)
UTG+1 had 9 10 (full house, nines over tens)
Outcome: Hero won $1.70, UTG+1 won $6.22
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i read a post here a long time ago about how many callers you want with AA, and there was an ideal situation with 9 callers, for all of their stack, as it being the most +EV. Of course, it considered AA would win the hand just a few times, but more than 10%, so that was +EV. It´s a very interesting post to read if you can find it.

In your case, i think you played it very well, the pre reraise was fine IMO, i wouldnt expect so many callers normally, but whatever. Also, i would really hit the brakes if one or more than one called the flop bet, worrying about trips, or AA, although there´s a wider range that would call your cbet(QQ;JJ;TT;a lot of SCs; maybe even ATs+)
Easy with pokerstove (assuming $100 stacks)

AA vs 9 others is 29.7% * 1000 => 297
AA vs 8 others is 33.5% * 900 => 302
AA vs 7 others is 37.9% * 800 => 303
AA vs 6 others is 42.0%*700 => 294
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Here's bet sizing try nr.2 - same situation.
Kind of convenient. Worked better than I could have hoped for. I guess I'll bet more in the future.
(note that this is not normal even for 5NL at Party... I think people are following me)


Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $0.00 BB (8 handed) - Party Poker Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Hero (SB) ($14.83)
BB ($2.50)
UTG ($9.85)
UTG+1 ($2.50)
MP1 ($2.48)
MP2 ($5.00)
CO ($1.96)
Button ($1.94)

Preflop: Hero is SB with K K
UTG+1 raises to $0.16, UTG calls $0.16, MP1 calls $0.16, 2 folds, Button calls $0.16, 1 fold, Hero raises to $1.16, UTG+1 calls $1.04, UTG calls $1.04, 2 folds

Flop: ($3.94) 10 9 9 (3 players)
Hero bets $3.00, 1 fold

Turn: ($3.94) 4 (2 players)

River: ($3.94) 4 (2 players)

Total pot: $3.94

Results in white below:
Hero had K K (two pair, Kings and nines)
UTG+1 had 9 10 (full house, nines over tens)
Outcome: Hero won $1.70, UTG+1 won $6.22
LOL, UTG+1 creamed himself when he saw that fl0p.
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