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06-10-2010, 12:53 AM
Post subject: Maximum outs possible
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High Card
Join Date: May 2010
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Hi, I'm looking at outs and sometimes I see 21 and 22. I can't figure out when you would have that many outs.
1) WHAT IS THE MAXIMUM # OF OUTS YOU CAN HAVE?
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Imthenewfish
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Full House
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open ender + FD + 2 overs?
8+9+6= 23 outs lawl
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jyms
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Tilting Mod
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Yea not close, and your math is wrong. OESD and FD and overs are 21. If an opponent has two outs on the flop you have 45 outs in the deck DUCY.
Seriously, it depends on your hand and the opponents.
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Imthenewfish
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Full House
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Oh yeah i counted the straight cards that made the flush again. sorry it's 21
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spoonitnow
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Straight Flush
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Q  J vs 4  2 on T 9 4  9 
Diamonds - 9, improve to a flush
K - 3, improve to a straight
Q - 3, improve to QQ99J
J - 3, improve to JJ99Q
T - 3, improve to TT99Q vs TT994
8 - 3, improve to a straight
24 outs on the turn
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Originally Posted by Ripptyde
I only have 2 simple rules when I am coaching a new student.
Rule # 1: don't ask questions
Rule # 2: don't ask questions
I have no interest in discussing strategy with a protege'. Your job is to remain quiet and listen. I have a very systematic approach that I will share with the right candidate and I promise that I will turn you into a force of nature and show you elements of the game of poker that you never knew existed.
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Tasha
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Flush
Join Date: May 2010
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Quote:
Originally Posted by spoonitnow
Q J vs 4 2 on T 9 4 9
Diamonds - 9, improve to a flush
K - 3, improve to a straight
Q - 3, improve to QQ99J
J - 3, improve to JJ99Q
T - 3, improve to TT99Q vs TT994
8 - 3, improve to a straight
24 outs on the turn |
Surely one card of each of the K,Q,J,T,8 is already included in the Diamonds flush cards count?
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EasyPoker
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Full House
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Quote:
Originally Posted by tasha
surely one card of each of the k,q,j,t,8 is already included in the diamonds flush cards count?
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2345678ka diamonds
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[20:19] <Zill4> god
[20:19] <Zill4> u guys
[20:19] <Zill4> so fking hopeless
[20:19] <Zill4> and dumb
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kiwiMark
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Tasha
Surely one card of each of the K,Q,J,T,8 is already included in the Diamonds flush cards count?
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Hence there only being three left...
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JKDS
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Full House
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  vs   on     is slightly better. we lose a diamond but gain 2 fours
eidt: actually the # of diamonds is the same in both, since the 4d gives villain a full house in spoons example
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Originally Posted by OngBonga
But no, jkds is lolvillager and anyone who wants to string him up is sighbad.
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EasyPoker
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Full House
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Oh yeah - so only 8 improve to a flush, or have I missed one out?
*Looks*
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[20:19] <Zill4> god
[20:19] <Zill4> u guys
[20:19] <Zill4> so fking hopeless
[20:19] <Zill4> and dumb
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spoonitnow
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Straight Flush
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Quote:
Originally Posted by JKDS
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Good catch
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Originally Posted by Ripptyde
I only have 2 simple rules when I am coaching a new student.
Rule # 1: don't ask questions
Rule # 2: don't ask questions
I have no interest in discussing strategy with a protege'. Your job is to remain quiet and listen. I have a very systematic approach that I will share with the right candidate and I promise that I will turn you into a force of nature and show you elements of the game of poker that you never knew existed.
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Outlaw
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Full House
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23 outs is the most I can find
Board: Js Ts Th 8c
Dead:
equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 56.818% 56.82% 00.00% 25 0.00 { KsQs }
Hand 1: 43.182% 43.18% 00.00% 19 0.00 { 6d6h }
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kiwiMark
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Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Nu Zuland bru
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Outlaw
23 outs is the most I can find
Board: Js Ts Th 8c
Dead:
equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 56.818% 56.82% 00.00% 25 0.00 { KsQs }
Hand 1: 43.182% 43.18% 00.00% 19 0.00 { 6d6h } |
A (4)
K (3)
Q (3)
J (3)
9 (4)
8 (3)
7s (1)
5s (1)
4s (1)
3s (1)
2s (1)
4 + 3 + 3 + 3 + 4 + 3 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 = 25
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pokernewbie
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High Card
Join Date: May 2010
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Hi again, Wow, I was thinking that this would have been a clear cut answer. Like a flush draw is 9 OUTS after the flop if you have 2 in your hand and 2 on the board. But, for some reason I'm getting answers from 21 to 25. I know that OUTS depends on your opponents cards. But, what I'm looking for is after the flop and before you know what your opponents cards are. Last week, my friends and I were trying to find out the most OUTS you could have and we had the same problem, everyone had a different answer.
Does anyone agree with "kiwiMark" that it's 25?
Thanks so much!
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spoonitnow
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Straight Flush
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Yeah I think it's 25. If you can get ahold of the book Ace on the River by Barry Greenstein he goes over this extensively giving examples for every possible number of outs.
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Originally Posted by Ripptyde
I only have 2 simple rules when I am coaching a new student.
Rule # 1: don't ask questions
Rule # 2: don't ask questions
I have no interest in discussing strategy with a protege'. Your job is to remain quiet and listen. I have a very systematic approach that I will share with the right candidate and I promise that I will turn you into a force of nature and show you elements of the game of poker that you never knew existed.
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Tasha
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Flush
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Quote:
Originally Posted by JKDS
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Ow, my head is starting to hurt. We lose the 2d, correct?
So this would make the total 25 because any hands that use the two extra fours we win by having higher pocket cards?
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JKDS
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Full House
Join Date: Feb 2008
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Posts: 1,024
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Tasha
Ow, my head is starting to hurt. We lose the 2d, correct?
So this would make the total 25 because any hands that use the two extra fours we win by having higher pocket cards?
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yes
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
But no, jkds is lolvillager and anyone who wants to string him up is sighbad.
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spoonitnow
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Straight Flush
Join Date: Sep 2005
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In Omaha it's fun to have like two flush draws plus a wrap plus a set or some shit on the turn.
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by Ripptyde
I only have 2 simple rules when I am coaching a new student.
Rule # 1: don't ask questions
Rule # 2: don't ask questions
I have no interest in discussing strategy with a protege'. Your job is to remain quiet and listen. I have a very systematic approach that I will share with the right candidate and I promise that I will turn you into a force of nature and show you elements of the game of poker that you never knew existed.
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