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argash
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12-23-2009, 04:20 PM
Post subject: Maximising value on wet boards.
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3-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Austin
Posts: 98
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Thanks to Spoons prodding I've been trying to work on my bet sizing and maximizing value. This hand represents a type of spot that I'm having trouble with. Villain is 21/21/7 over 28 hands. With his PF 3bet I'm putting his range on 99+ AQs+ AK and potentially QJs and KQs though I'm discounting those. Against the tighter range my equity on the flop is 73.5%. So I'm happy with the flop but torn on what type of line to take especially since his range will include some flush draws and possible straight draws. Flatting his flop bet would obviously be bad but what size do I raise to to get the scarier portions of his range to fold while keeping the weaker portions in. Do I even feel comfortable seeing another card here?
$0.02/$0.05 No Limit Holdem
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Stacks:
UTG exarace ($3.45)
UTG+1 bubbamugs ($3.75)
CO zilitan ($5.53)
BTN argash ($5.41)
SB hardwoodfloors ($9.13)
BB GeminiRooster ($5)
Pre-Flop: ($0.07, 6 players) argash is BTN  
3 folds, argash raises to $0.15, hardwoodfloors calls $0.13, GeminiRooster raises to $0.55, argash calls $0.40, hardwoodfloors folds
Flop:    ($1.25, 2 players)
GeminiRooster bets $0.70, $0.7 to argash ($4.86)?
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eragotte
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Flush
Join Date: Feb 2009
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ez fold pre, you should be folding to 3bets like 70% of the time, im sure this isnt in your calling range. as played id triple it to 2.1 on the flop or just shove
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kfaess
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Flush
Join Date: Jul 2008
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I would fold pre also, no reason to continue with this hand when there are other, stronger hands in your opening range that you would rather continue with.
I'm not really sure what you mean when you say "to get the scarier portions of his range to fold while keeping the weaker portions in."
On this flop I think any PP he has 99-AA is going to stack off and you have great equity against these hands. An A or K on the turn would be a horrible card for you since 99, JJ, QQ would be much less willing to stack off. Also 8, 9, J, Q's are not great cards for you either. Therefore, unless you had some read that he would go crazy with overcards and bluff away his stack, I would get as much money in now as possible. Any decent sized raise commits you to the pot, raising to 2.00-2.30 seems good and that sets up a 1/2 turn shove. If you think he'll go crazy with AK then make your raise a little smaller hoping he'll think he has FE and shove over. You prob can't determine this over only 28 hands though
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MuddyWicket
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Flush
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: UK, Brighton
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3x his bet 210 makes easy shove on turn. I also wouldnt worry about him folding. Two pair hands can go badly wrong quickly. I'm not sure you can bet over half your remaining stack without shoving being better?
You need to consider your implied odds preflop for your hand. 40 to possibly win 528. 13:1. if people think 20:1 is needed for a pocket pair then I think you need more for this hand. Even if you can argue that his range is strong you need less implied odds this is not enough for this hand imo.
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Hoopy
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Full House
Join Date: Jan 2009
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Fold preflop - your implied odds aren't enough to play this hand.
I'd just shove over his bet because he's not folding TT+ which we have good equity against and since our perceived range should be quite wide since this is BU vs blinds he may snap our shove with AK/99. Plus quite a few turn cards kill our action (any diamond,8,9 or A).
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Dragon Slayer
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Straight
Join Date: Aug 2009
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Ya fo so fold pre, if it was sooted maybe call. But as played 3 bet flop/get it in. Your doing pretty well against his range here.
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surviva316
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4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Feb 2009
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i doubt you have a solid enough postflop game to be able to exploit his smallish squeeze size with this junky of a hand, even in position. i like it if we're deeper, though.
bottom two on this wet of a board is usually going to call for playing as fast as possible, but i like betting 2 dollars here. this leaves ~1/2 PSB behind for the turn and allows him to have the false impression of FE with his draws.
btw, if he folds, i'd defintely take a note that he cbets this small on wet flops as a bluff in 3b pots.
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kmind
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Straight Flush
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This isn't a small squeeze size.
Fold pre obv and rr flop. You admit to him having a really strong range so we'd never bluff raise him meaning we should value raise him a ton.
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