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scotladd
Old 04-24-2009, 10:50 AM     Post subject: Making some adjustments #1 (permalink)  
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I think I have established a good base but my game definately needs some tweaking. When I decided to get serious about online poker, I was a horribly passive player. I can't say I was tight passive because I didn't know what to play so I would have been loose passive, but not intentionally, only out of ignorance.

I changed alot of things about my game immediately saw improvements. One of those areas was aggression and focusing on playing the 19 with discipline. I also learned and began implementing correct continuation betting.

Here are the problems I am dealing with currently (forgive me for not posting hand histories).

1. Hand groupings for continuation bets.

My current G1 is (preflop raises with unimproved CBs) AA-JJ, KQ, KJ, QJ. I believe this is a leak given the losses I am seeing. A large chunk of which appears to be when my CBs are called and I have just donated a chunk of my stack after the turn or even the river.
I think I need to move KQ, KJ and QJ to G2 (preflop raises but CBs only when improved, when raised by a villain and unimproved, folded). The more I think about this, the more it seems obviously logical, am I correct?

2. My betsizing for flopping a set.

I have experimented with bets of 67%-100% of the pot, post flop after making my set and I am still losing hands to suckouts. I want to keep the top pair, and 2 pair hands in but I want to force the chasers out. Do I need to move the betsize up to 2x the pot?

Sorry for the long winded post, I figured more articulation was better than "should I bet more post flop?"
 
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Old 04-24-2009, 11:01 AM #2 (permalink)  
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 Why push the draws out? Just make them pay incorrect pot odds and don't fear the suckouts.
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Old 04-24-2009, 11:56 AM #3 (permalink)  
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Don't group your hands like that, decide about cbetting based on the cards on the flop and in your opponent's range.
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Old 04-24-2009, 12:36 PM #4 (permalink)  
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1. C-betting can be a powerful play versus some villains and spewing against others. Thus our decision whether to C-bet or not depends on villains tendencies- not so much our own hand.

Some of my better opponents, including myself, have started to delay the aggression to later streets (turn, river). The reason for this is that C-betting is too common nowadays.

One of the more successful strategies versus frequent C-bettors is to float the flop (check-call, or call) and bet the turn (check/raise, bet/fold or reraise.) With good reads we can even postpone our lethal attack to the river, but this requires position in most cases.

Our decision on C-betting depends on villains tendencies, board texture in relation to perceived range, board texture in relation to villains range + metagame implications on future hands.

2. Betsizing is something you need to decide for yourself and integrate into your own poker system. Whatever you decide- there should be no giveaway on your hand strength. If you start betting 2X pot with sets only, only fools will pay you off and better hands stack you.

And as my friend Luco stated, we do not necessarily want to chase out draws- but we want to get paid the maximum (maximize Expected Value).

Just as important as making draws expensive for villain, is to take away his implied odds when he hits his hand. How embarrassing is it not to chase a draw with terrible odds just to see villain folding to your river bet?

Adjusting and readjusting to villains is what makes poker fun for me. But in my quest to master this game I am constantly overrating my opponents. I anticipate readjustments just to find that villain cant even remember having played against me before! The art of adjustment requires assessment of villains intellectual capacity. The smarter they are the more fun poker is! Sadly, many players nowadays are mutlitabling robots with no capacity of making readjustments- although many of them are good at adjusting.

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Old 04-24-2009, 09:17 PM #5 (permalink)  
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It has already been said, but:

1) drop your "hand groupings" for cbetting. Start thinking a lot more about flop texture and villains tendencies, these two concepts are far more important when cbetting than your actual holding.

2) nothing more to add to whats been said
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