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Old 06-13-2006, 01:06 AM     Post subject: M strategy in short handed no limit #1 (permalink)  
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we play 4-7 people with $20 buyin and $20 in chips. pay 2 or 3 spots. blinds start at .50/1.00 and double with dropouts or set times. obviously M gets very small quickly. question: should all in bets be more frequent than value bets? if this is the case, then go in with top 20% hands pre-flop? what about calling all in bets?
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Old 06-14-2006, 09:39 PM #2 (permalink)  
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why are your blinds so high? that doesn't sound fun at all.
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 You start with an M of 13..... maybe you should rethink the start of the tournament? Maybe start with more chips or start the blinds lower?

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Old 06-14-2006, 10:19 PM #4 (permalink)  
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it allows us to play more games throughout the night. typically 5-6 tournaments
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thats perverted blackjack.

anyway play allin or foldem, also attacking blinds out of position can be essential.
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5-6 tourneys a night?Man I'd rather clear bonuses in online ring games.
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Play one real tourny and then dealers choice cash games Crap-shoots dont really reward the skilled so much, theyre more of a lottery.
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Old 06-15-2006, 03:56 AM #8 (permalink)  
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rolling dice is only somewhat more of a crapshoot than playing that tourny structure.
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thats perverted blackjack.

anyway play allin or foldem, also attacking blinds out of position can be essential.
That structure does take away the skill and make things pretty random.

When playing short-handed remember that your Effective M is even lower. Here is Harrington's forumula:
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Effective M = (Basic M) times (Players Left/10) [HOH2 page 277]
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hold on yall - This is a home game...it's not about making a ton of money (from the sounds of it) and I have a group of friends that play almost this identical structure - Yeah, you have to be in push/fold mode fast, but it's a lot more fun to get in 5 or 6 tourneys in a night also....It favors the gamblers, and thats what you have to do - Gamble - In mine I try to limp in when possible and then when blinds go up i'm in push mode - In my group of friends, we have 2 guys who regularly finish in the money (we only pay 2)...so there is some skill in it -
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Old 06-16-2006, 01:52 AM #11 (permalink)  
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thank you limpin...
we would rather have some fun and make some money than play all night for one pot and then discuss it for days in a forum
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thank you limpin...
we would rather have some fun and make some money than play all night for one pot and then discuss it for days in a forum
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 Doubling blinds when opponents are knocked out sucks.

Example from my experience at a home game:

Stacks start at 100 chips.
9 Players.
Blinds start at: 1 chip 2 chips.

Round 1:
9 Players.
Blinds: 1 chip 2 chips.
Average stack: 100 chips

Round 2:
8 Players.
Blinds: 2 chip 4 chips.
Average stack: 112.5chips


Round 3:
7 Players.
Blinds: 4 chip 8 chips.
Average stack: 118 chips

Round 4:
6 Players.
Blinds: 8 chip 16 chips.
Average stack: 150 chips

Round 5:
5 Players.
Blinds: 16 chip 32 chips.
Average stack: 180 chips

Round 6:
4 Players.
Blinds: 32 chip 64 chips.
Average stack: 225 chips

Round 7:
3 Players.
Blinds: 64 chip 128 chips.
Average stack: 300 chips

Round 8:
2 Players.
Blinds: 128 chip 256 chips.
Average stack: 450 chips
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