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rowhousepd
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07-11-2010, 12:34 AM
Post subject: LP range in the 5NL micros - full ring cash games
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Straight
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Posts: 213
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In the last few thousand hands I've been getting crushed in late position, and I'm not sure if it's the way I'm playing post-flop, if it's variance, or it's my opening range. (Btw, I play full ring, 9 max, 5NL cash games at Full Tilt.) Here are my combined starts for CO & BTN....- VPIP: 28
- PFR: 16
- 3Bet: 4.9
- 4Bet: 1.9
- Att to Steal: 31
- Fold Steal to Blind Reraise: 38
More or less, my range is roughly as follows in LP....- Raise Limpers & 3bet: AA-TT, AKs-AJs, AKo, KQs
- Raise First In: same as above + 99-22, any Broadway, AXs/o, KXs, K9o, Q9s
- Call Raise w/ no other callers: 99-66, most Broadway, A9s-A8s, K9s, Q9s
- Call Raise with other callers: same as w/ no callers + KTo-JTo, A7s-A2s, any suited connectors, occasionally suited 1-gaps
- Open Limp: never
- also, LP first in raises are usually ~4bb+1 per limper.
Again, this is a little rough, but you get the idea. Any suggestions? Am I too loose? too tight? too agro stealing? Help! Thanks.
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spoonitnow
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Straight Flush
Join Date: Sep 2005
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Post your positional stats from your tracker (post a screenshot). Seems like you're calling raises too much and not open-raising and raising after limpers enough.
While I'm at it, read Blind Stealing 101 and Raising Behind Limpers, both of which are found in the digest.
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Originally Posted by Ripptyde
I only have 2 simple rules when I am coaching a new student.
Rule # 1: don't ask questions
Rule # 2: don't ask questions
I have no interest in discussing strategy with a protege'. Your job is to remain quiet and listen. I have a very systematic approach that I will share with the right candidate and I promise that I will turn you into a force of nature and show you elements of the game of poker that you never knew existed.
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philly and the phanatics
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Full House
Join Date: Dec 2006
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way too big of a gap between your vpip and your pfr, this means youre limping/calling a shit load which is generally not what you want to do. You dont really want a set 3betting range, if you look at the 3betting ip thread here, this will help you figure that out a little better. As for raising behind limpers you need to figure out why you are doing that and when it is profitable, for that i recommend going here ...as for everything else the best advice i have for you is to post hands, thats the best way people are going to be able to help you because everything in poker is SOOOOOOO opponent dependent that one option vs one player may be the best but the same option vs a diff player may be a terrible move. So post some hands and people will be able to start helping you.
As a side note, i would stop calling k9s and q9s and hands like that with no other callers (of course depending on who is raising and who are left to act)
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spoonitnow
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Straight Flush
Join Date: Sep 2005
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Originally Posted by philly and the phanatics
way too big of a gap between your vpip and your pfr, this means youre limping/calling a shit load which is generally not what you want to do. You dont really want a set 3betting range, if you look at the 3betting ip thread here, this will help you figure that out a little better. As for raising behind limpers you need to figure out why you are doing that and when it is profitable, for that i recommend going here ...as for everything else the best advice i have for you is to post hands, thats the best way people are going to be able to help you because everything in poker is SOOOOOOO opponent dependent that one option vs one player may be the best but the same option vs a diff player may be a terrible move. So post some hands and people will be able to start helping you.
As a side note, i would stop calling k9s and q9s and hands like that with no other callers (of course depending on who is raising and who are left to act)
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Originally Posted by Ripptyde
I only have 2 simple rules when I am coaching a new student.
Rule # 1: don't ask questions
Rule # 2: don't ask questions
I have no interest in discussing strategy with a protege'. Your job is to remain quiet and listen. I have a very systematic approach that I will share with the right candidate and I promise that I will turn you into a force of nature and show you elements of the game of poker that you never knew existed.
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StarGrinder
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Full House
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: UTG (aka USA)
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I don't call raises with off-suit broadways very often. I either 3bet or fold. When calling raises with Axs and SCs, I'd prefer to be on the button with everyone in the pot having 100bb effective stacks, among other dynamics which I won't get into here. Anyway, you're a little loose-passive imo, and you could probably benefit from folding more instead of calling. 3-betting stat could be higher, but at 5nl seems fine.
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Outlaw
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Full House
Join Date: Nov 2007
Posts: 1,033
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Don't have a set range.. your range should change based on the table makeup.
But if you want training wheels while you learn the game at micros (no ones stats in particular, just an example)
VPIP: 12
PFR: 10
3Bet: 4
Raise steal- 7%
4Bet: ?
Att to Steal: 25
Fold Steal to Blind Reraise: 85
More or less, my range is roughly as follows in LP....
Raise Limpers & 3bet: AA-QQ, AK
Raise First In: Depends on who is in blinds
Call Raise w/ no other callers: Depends on raiser
Call Raise with other callers: Depends on raiser/caller
Open Limp: No
also, LP first in raises are usually ~4bb+1 per limper.
Something like that 
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rowhousepd
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Straight
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Posts: 213
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Quote:
Originally Posted by spoonitnow
Post your positional stats from your tracker (post a screenshot). Seems like you're calling raises too much and not open-raising and raising after limpers enough.
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Do you mean a screen shot of my HUD? or of a preflop report? Confused.
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Originally Posted by StarGrinder
I don't call raises with off-suit broadways very often. I either 3bet or fold.
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Really? I was under the impression that I should really be 3betting w/ premium hands like AA-JJ, AK, maybe AQs. An off suit Broadway hand like, say, KQo or QJo is way less than premium. If anything I had a feeling I was 3betting too liberally w/ AJs and KQs.
Btw, I'm about the read the suggested posts above. 
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tomato paste carnage
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Straight
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: in a van down by the river
Posts: 115
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It seems to me that you're limping and calling too much.
/sarcasm
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