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A10Chief
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11-29-2005, 01:10 PM
Post subject: Loose table, AKs facing raise and reraise
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Flush
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Germany
Posts: 285
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I mostly play STT and MTT, but I'm trying to clear my bonus money, so I'm playing some ring lately. I've found this table, where one dude is gambooling and winning big. I've seen several others showing down incredibly lame starting hands but winning. In other words, this is a juicy game. Then I get confronted with this...
Ultimate Bet No-Limit Hold'em, $.25 BB (10 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx
MP1 ($107.95)
MP2 ($30.70)
Hero ($25.95)
CO ($17)
Button ($35.45)
SB ($13.15)
BB ($20.05)
UTG ($9.75)
UTG+1 ($5.35)
UTG+2 ($32.05)
Preflop: Hero is MP3 with K , A.
UTG+1 calls $0.25, 1 fold, MP1 raises to $1.1, MP2 raises to $1.95, [color=#666666][icolor], Hero ????
Final Pot: $5.35
Your thoughts?
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lamaros
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Flush
Join Date: Jul 2005
Posts: 346
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Call. I don't like to commit too much when I'm new to a table, and the min raise doesn't always mean a weakish hand when a bad player does it.
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Irisheyes
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4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: over there
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Which guy is the gambler? Whats the other guy like?
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A10Chief
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Flush
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Germany
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MP1 has been playing a lot of hands, winning some raggedy two pairs, sucking out a little bit, and so on and so forth. I have seen him raise a couple of hands Preflop, and once he showed down AA after a PFR. MP2 just came to the table, and won a nice pot with a flush, but didn't raise it preflop, because it was an Axs hand (if I remember correctly.) Anyways, I was going to reraise to about $4-5 after the gambler raised, but after a reraise, albeit a minireraise, I wasn't so sure...
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EricE
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Full House
Join Date: Jun 2005
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Call, there is lots of money behind. If you spike an A or K I think you are good (at this table). If you hit a flush draw play accordingly.
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Stakes: Playing $0.10/$0.25 NL
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Irisheyes
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4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Jun 2005
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Call, MP1 probably wont reraise unless he has the goods. If he likes to raise a bit then theres a good chance he doesn't.
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aleksandr
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Flush
Join Date: Jan 2005
Posts: 305
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Reraise to $4-6, I think. You need info and hands out of the picture. If you get pushed all the way, I think it's QQ-AA and you fold.
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Fnord
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If the players didn't suck I would fold in a heartbeat. If I think they suck, I would just call and see a frop. Another line is makeing it like $4 to see if anyone wants to play for stacks (fold if they do.)
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Lukie
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4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Jul 2005
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2nd position limps, 4th position raises, 5th position reraises, you are 6th position with AKs, 4 people havn't acted yet not counting the original limper and the original raiser. Even if you hit an A or K on the flop, there is a good chance you are still behind.
I think this is a clear fold but if the table is really that bad where players could be reraising with worse hands and your AK could still be good here, maybe you can call and see a flop. I don't really like a reraise here because you act directly after the original raiser and the re-raiser, and the min-reraise is basically a fish's way of telling the world that he's holding AA. In the end I think I'd play this hand the same way I'd play 27o, toss it in the muck and don't think twice about it. If the other two end up going allin with AJ vs AQ, bust them next time. 
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Nugunz
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Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: BG
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I'd probably muck it, call at worst.
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Miffed22001
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Straight Flush
Join Date: Jun 2005
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I cant see any reason for not trying to see a flop from behind. If you flop something you amy very well be good and a flush draw could stack these two from the looks of it. I want involved here rather than sitting it out
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underminedsk
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Flush
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Reraising you from the button
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BECAUSE YOU HAVE POSITION I would probably smooth call and see a flop for cheap and hit TPTK to outdraw JJ-KK. If you flop the flush draw3 handed, there is a good chance you will get odds to chase. Be skeptical about their hand though, with a raise and reraise preflop. Because you have position, it should become apparent through betting if you are up against a high pocket pair or worse. Dont get too attached to TPTK, especially if the flop is AJx, AQx, Kxx, etc. That might be a good way to lose your stack to 2 pair or rockets.
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BankItDrew
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4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Oct 2005
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Call. If you don't hit TPTK, you are behind.
Fold if you have witnessed the reraiser push AI after a raise with high pockets before. Fold if there is a reraise after your smooth call.
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A10Chief
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Flush
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I actually folded this hand. Glad I did b/c the initial raiser pushed all-in, and the reraiser followed him in. The initial raiser had Kowboys and the reraiser had AKo. The Kowboys held up and I wouldn't of caught my flush either.
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