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Nakamura
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07-31-2009, 11:11 AM
Post subject: Line check with AKs ($10NL)
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4-of-a-Kind
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I don't have a lot of stats of the villain involved here, but he seems a little loose PF. No idea on his 4-bet range tho. Our table image is probably a little laggy, but we have recently shown down some big hands.
I should be stacking off here against an unknown with AKs, right? Otherwise what's the point in 3-betting?
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (8 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
CO ($7.95)
Button ($6.15)
SB ($1.75)
BB ($9.55)
UTG ($10.10)
UTG+1 ($7.15)
MP1 ($5.45)
Hero (MP2) ($25.20)
Preflop: Hero is MP2 with A , K
UTG bets $0.40, 2 folds, Hero raises to $1.20, 4 folds, UTG raises to $10.10 (All-In), Hero calls $8.90
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Muzzard
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Fold to the shove, rarely will you see anyone felting less than AA/KK pre in FR unless it's bvb or LP/blinds or some other situation with history.
I suppose also in the odd case of a massive aggro fish or ppl buying in short too. But generally fullstacks aren't 4b shoving w/less.
If he's laggy PF then fine 3b and fold, if he's a bit tighter I don't mind just flatting the raise PF.
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WillburForce
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Flush
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at best you're racing. you gotta fold.
i'd prob just flat his UTG raise, see what happens on the flop.
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wonderland
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Flush
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i call if he's short, like $3 but no way am i calling a full stack shove with AK/AKs.
You're a dog to any pocket pair, let alone the likely ones he's shoving such as QQ+ here.
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spoonitnow
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If you aren't going to be comfortable stacking off preflop and you don't think he's calling with a lot of trash and only 4-betting a range that crushes you then you should just call preflop.
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Originally Posted by wonderland
i call if he's short, like $3 but no way am i calling a full stack shove with AK/AKs.
You're a dog to any pocket pair, let alone the likely ones he's shoving such as QQ+ here.
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if he has a low pocket pair we're OK calling because we have the pot odds since we only need to call 89BB into a 203.5 BB pot so if we have 44% equity it's an easy call
so in conclusion, if you're not felting this you shouldn't 3b
I mean if you're 3bing and not planning on what to do vs. a 4b, then what ARE you thinking of? If he folds the hand ends right there, if he calls you will need to see the flop before making a decision
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Robb
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Be very careful 3b'ing an UTG unknown. In FR, the typical UTG range is pretty narrow and strong. Nothing wrong with flatting.
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dmoney38
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Join Date: Feb 2009
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Plug some ranges into pokerstove and you will find its an easy fold. I mean....a realistic range here has got to be like JJ+ AK. It's really spewy to assign a range betting more for value. No way you can assume unknown 4 bet shoves as a bluff.
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