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PokerPatNEU
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08-02-2005, 03:43 PM
Post subject: Leaving a table when someone's got your number?
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Full House
Join Date: Mar 2005
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At the PokerStars $25NL tables, i find i am able to run probably 80% of tables that i sit down at with aggression, picking up pots that people dont fight for, raising with position when i feel someone's weak, etc. This style of play has been profitable for me over the last 3 or 4 months.
But every once in a while, i sit down and there is a player there whose style of play is similar to mine, or sometimes different but still in contrast, and i find myself losing pot after pot after pot to them...Usually i'll just sit back, put my thinking cap on, and say "ok this guy is raising me every time i make a continuation bet...time to adjust and wait for a check raise opportunity" or something like that, but then that opportunity dosen't come. And i lose more pots. And i'm down a buy in all of a sudden...and i'm starting to get frustrated.
I know if i keep my cool I will be able to work this guy over eventually, because I see exactly what he's doing to me, but i just can't seem to get it together sometimes. What do you guys do when a player just seems to have your number and is really making you look bad? I know i can win at most other tables, should I just say screw this dude and go sit somewhere else and pick on the people I know i can beat easily? In a given week i'll usually pick up 6-7 buy ins on average at 25$ NL from the tables where my play is working, and lose 2 or 3 sometimes in single night at a table where a guy is just owning me. Still profitable, but without the losses I'd be happier.
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underminedsk
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What's the point of staying and trying to beat him if you can just take your money and win elsewhere? If a table texture doesnt fit me right, then I leave immediately. Eventually, you will have to learn to deal consistantly with people that seem to "have your number", but at NL25 why bother when there are so many other fishy tables.
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08-02-2005, 04:00 PM
Post subject: Re: Leaving a table when someone's got your number?
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Straight
Join Date: Jun 2005
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I would strongly consider moving tables if he has table position on you. I also think that you should do whatever seems the most profitable. It would be good practice I think to continue playing against these guys when you feel up to it though.
The problem might be that you're getting impatient about when to confront this guy. Play your laggy style when he's not in the hand. Try to reraise him pf with your mediocre holdings because you know he'll have worse. Don't do as many cont bluffs with him in the hand. Resteals are much more powerful against this guy.
You can also just say, "I'm not messing with him" and stay away from his pots until you have a premium hand.
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EricE
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I say move tables. There is no reason you need to have "his" money.
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Pingviini
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Good thing is that at least you know how he plays and you can play back if you want.. like if he re-raises you after your bet on the dangerous flop i.e. 3JJ 3 suited, go on top of him!
still, find another table. I am currently having the same problem. Too muc h other laggs 
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Element187
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depends on the situation .. if he has position on me for more then 60% of the hands in the standard orbit, i get up and leave immediately, even if i know i smoke him in normal circumstances .. having position changes the table texture dramatically.
if i have position him, i'll be patient and watch everything he does and try to get his number ( i know this is more of an ego thing, but i like the challenge sometimes) .. and wait for the perfect time to bust him .. play ultra tight when in the same hands as him, and laggy when he's not ...
eventually you'll catch him being overly aggressive with a second best hand and find the right time to put your chips in the middle.
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aislephive
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If somebody has your number, then that means they're being aggressive and getting in your way. When this happens you need to play more conservatively, then when you have a boss hand make him pay. Going over the top and overbetting is a counter strategy to aggressive players. If you're just worried about making money then it might serve you best to move to another table. If you truly want to get better then you have to play, you just need to change gears. Two aggressive players always seems to end with one player losing their stack. So just play conservative against an aggressive player and you'll be rewarded.
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Pingviini
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I twice that. I can admit that at the moment I enjoy pushing weak players around but when someone tries to bully me I have hard time changing the way I play..
As you know usually the best tactic is to play the opposite than the table/player. also see this conversation http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...ic.php?t=14047 and the link at the top..
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underminedsk
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Flush
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Right. When I encounter another player who is even more agressive than I am, I go into super tight mode when I'm in a hand with them. However, if a good opportunity arrises, I think its good to try to outplay them, then show your garbage because outplaying a lagg is a good way to put them on tilt and make them pay you off later when you are camping.
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Galapogos
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4-of-a-Kind
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The game is about adjusting your style depending on the situation. If this guy has your number then change your number. Slow down for a bit and watch him, learn him, figure him out. Don't let it psych you out that you're losing a little money all of the sudden.
I personally never leave a table when someone's ****kicking me because I want to learn how to beat this guy. I always want to move up limits and this is the kind of competition I'll have to face eventually.
And if you say you control these tables 80% of the time why not take a little loss in cash to gain a little game? You know you'll win the money back soon enough.
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Rondavu
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Aislephive said it best. Make him want to trap you by playing Lagg when he's not involved, and then tighten up when you're in a hand with him. Don't get emotionally involved. You'll find yourself chasing for bigger bets just to hit against him for the chance to schwang your giant member on the table.
Then you'll start typing in the chat module stuff like "HA, how do you like that punk? Did it feel good? Did you like that porking? Ya I bet you liked it. I bet you liked me porking you like so. I know I liked porking you, so it stands to reason you liked me liking said porking of you. YES I porked you!"
Then they just go "NH", and you're like "No! Not having it. I porked you. When I pork you, you need to hang yourself from a chandelier while slitting your wrists after eating a giant bottle of flintstone vitamins which I'm not even sure if it's bad for you"
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It's not what's inside that counts. Have you seen what's inside?
Internal organs. And they're getting uglier by the minute.
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naturaltan
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Originally Posted by Rondavu
Then you'll start typing in the chat module stuff like "HA, how do you like that punk? Did it feel good? Did you like that porking? Ya I bet you liked it. I bet you liked me porking you like so. I know I liked porking you, so it stands to reason you liked me liking said porking of you. YES I porked you!"
Then they just go "NH", and you're like "No! Not having it. I porked you. When I pork you, you need to hang yourself from a chandelier while slitting your wrists after eating a giant bottle of flintstone vitamins which I'm not even sure if it's bad for you"
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hahahaha ... I've done this on more than one occassion and guys really get upset that you didn't respond to their trival babble. It's like the juvenial on a forum who makes idle threats via the forum ... "... I can kick your a$$ you little .... " It makes you laugh.
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EricE
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Originally Posted by Rondavu
Aislephive said it best. Make him want to trap you by playing Lagg when he's not involved, and then tighten up when you're in a hand with him. Don't get emotionally involved. You'll find yourself chasing for bigger bets just to hit against him for the chance to schwang your giant member on the table.
Then you'll start typing in the chat module stuff like "HA, how do you like that punk? Did it feel good? Did you like that porking? Ya I bet you liked it. I bet you liked me porking you like so. I know I liked porking you, so it stands to reason you liked me liking said porking of you. YES I porked you!"
Then they just go "NH", and you're like "No! Not having it. I porked you. When I pork you, you need to hang yourself from a chandelier while slitting your wrists after eating a giant bottle of flintstone vitamins which I'm not even sure if it's bad for you"
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I have no comment on the thread but that is some funny shit!
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Stakes: Playing $0.10/$0.25 NL
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Yeah, you can keep switching styles to accomodate each player. That's what poker is about 
But finding easier tables is probably more profitable.
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ChezJ
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Full House
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jesus h. christ, will this "wheel" business never die?? OBVIOUSLY you have to adjust your style according to your opponents. every book in the universe says this... even hellmuth's. 
if you're going to cite an article on the subject, at least cite a pro who knows what the hell he's talking about: http://fulltiltpoker.com/proLessons.php?lesson=7
ChezJ
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Miffed22001
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Straight Flush
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a link to a post by the god himself 
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