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04-05-2009, 03:14 PM
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So i just decided to 'take a shot' at 10nl.
thought i'd just do one table and focus on it. Thing is, the first noticable difference is that everyone is suddenly tight. So it wasn't long before a second table was opened.... then a third.
Tight, tight and tight was my first impression. People suddenly played with some sense of cunning.
In 500 or so hands i saw one, maybe two fish in about 24 players.
I could not get away with cbetting a missed flop, either got raised or check-raised. Limping was almost impossible. The average VPIP was around 20. Mine used to be about 25/12 at 5nl and was now around 10/10.
Plus when you hit, everyone folds.
So my point is, people kept saying 10 was a lot like 5... it isn't thus far and i'm really not sure how i'm going to beat it for much. I finished on top though with like $4 and about 6BB/100 so it's not as though i got creamed, but man things sloooow down a lot. I miss the fish 
I guess i'm going to have to beat on the tight players *shrug*
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This thread is so off base. First off, I've played 10nl relatively recently. I staked my dad and have been coaching him, and he is currently at 10nl, and I spend some time on the weekends sweating him, and sometimes even playing 10nl myself so he can sweat me. So, my assumptions aren't going to be totally off-base, and a "you don't know what the micros are like anymore" is going to be incorrect.
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In 500 or so hands i saw one, maybe two fish in about 24 players.
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The only way this is correct is if you happened to find a table full of solid 1/2, 2/4 regs that decided to go sit at 10nl and play serious. And I'm pretty sure that's not the case. Maybe the players aren't your typical 5nl shove and pray fish, but trust me the majority of the tables are still pretty fishy. And the players that you would consider good still have considerable leaks that can be exploited.
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Mine used to be about 25/12 at 5nl and was now around 10/10.
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I'm not sure if your playing FR or 6m first off. However, if this is FR, then the problem likely isn't the other players are good. It would be that your likely playing bad.
Even if it isn't FR, you are likely making a shitload of mistakes. Which might sound harsh, but it's okay. I make a shitload of mistakes as well. You just have to continue to study and improve.
Remember, the better you get, the more people that are fish to you. When you can start to spot leaks in the players that you view as good, then you can learn to exploit those leaks. Then they no longer seem as solid.
Also, unless 10nl is playing better than 200nl nowadays, you will run into a shitload of fish. At 200nl, I still have people shoving ATC preflop, limp/calling, calling with Bottom Pair, etc. So if they are this bad at 200nl, it stands to reason they are worse at 10nl.
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04-05-2009, 03:49 PM
Post subject: Re: The leap from 5nl to 10nl
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I could not get away with cbetting a missed flop
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Plus when you hit, everyone folds.
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Both can't be true, do you see why?
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Nice thread...should get me prepped for my leap 
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That's how winners play; we convince the other guy he's making all the right moves.
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Just don't forget that poker is long term, and 1k hands isn't a great sample for anything.
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well, thanks for the headsup stacks. I just need a few people to give me their experiece of 10nl particularly in relation to 5nl. Also, glad you played 10nl recently coz like you say, i might have made that point had you not pre-disarmed me.
Like i say, i found one or two things like someone felting an A high board with A8s and no flush potential. Fine. And i two barrelled someone with AJs having totally missed and they turned over 45s and had ALSO totally missed. But most of the time it was people swapping blinds.
Oh, it's 6max btw.
I'm playing a reasonable game these days, nothing massively solid, just a little 'moving up tightness' in my stats like the 10/10 which will open up as i get more confident. Always trying to play in position, starting to get into 3betting, starting to increase my aggression and also getting reasonable reads on players. I mean i'm by no means losing but i'd love to be killing, so when i complain it's because i want more solid play rather than because i'm spewing into a wilting graph. But it's all relative, you guys would undoubtedly find big holes in my game that i wouldn't have been seeing.
I guess i wanted to take my 5nl strategy into 10nl but just add x percent for the new tighter players but i think i'm really going to have to get stuck into some theorem.
I mean, an instructor somewhere once said that players rarely bluff raise, like RARELY. I had a couple today, action on the flop, get raised with air and then check down to the river, both turn over air but my air is better. Mad. I just didn't expect tricky plays, thought people would play a bit more fit or fold.
Well, maybe it was just a tough first time.
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You're seriously playing 10/10 at 6max?
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you should be like 18/15 if you're playing tight in 6m
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just a bit of variance and a little careful play. Was getting no cards and people 3bet more.
Infact, let's look at PT. I averaged out at: 15/8 actually, but one table i was at about 10/10 and i've never played like that before.
Like i say, once i get used to 10 i'll probably be around 20/12. Or more.
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How often are you limping? Or calling? I would suspect both are likely more than you should be.
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3bets are either the nuts, a maniac, or if they have position on you switch tables
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stacks.
Limp very rarely. Call... a little. Like if i raise with AQ and i'm 3bet i'll call. I do admit that i was starting to 3bet hands like AK at 5nl but just not quite got the balls at taking my first ever shot at 10. This is a glitch that will go away very soon. Don't have many reads yet etc. Lots of new players.
Worst player was this guy who would check the flop OOP then i'd cbet and the fucker would check raise me. I just thought people wouldn't do that, it's almost slow playing to check a hit flop unless you know very well that the villain will fire to try and push you off coz they're a 50/40 lag tard.
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check/raising flops is super standard vs. cbet bots
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04-05-2009, 05:26 PM
Post subject: Re: The leap from 5nl to 10nl
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I could not get away with cbetting a missed flop
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Yes they could, they probably aren't but it could be the case that every flop he missed and cbet someone raised or called and every flop he hit and cbet everyone folded.
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(yep, what he said)
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You should be aiming to get vpip/pfr closer to each other than 20/12 or 15/8 btw
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04-05-2009, 05:53 PM
Post subject: Re: The leap from 5nl to 10nl
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I could not get away with cbetting a missed flop
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No, because he said "when you hit, everyone folds"
he didn't say "when I hit, everyone folded"
when you use the present tense like that you are implying repetition
like "When I get up in the morning I run" means you do this every time
"When I got up in the morning I ran" means it happened in the past
Why am I arguing this point? There's a bigger picture that I have in mind. Each opponent has a certain strategy. That strategy involves a certain amount of bluffing/floating and a certain amount of folding. So if your opponent floats or bluff-raises too much, you're going to get paid off when you hit. If your opponent folds too much, you'll get away with cbetting much easier. Your objection is just a smart-ass comment in the vein of "it COULD happen" it doesn't actually help wonderland get better
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What's up, Peoples?
To offer the view point of a player probably at or near the same skill level as Wonderland, (12,000 hands at 5/10 FR NL), I think my biggest leak when I first moved up was scared money. I tried to leap as soon as my bankroll hit $200, but much like Wonderland, I wasn't playing as solid because I was afraid to lose a full buy-in at that level.
I went back to the $5 tables until I had 25 buy-ins, then when I moved up I knew I could afford to lose a few buy-ins. This enabled me to make better decisions, 3Bet when I needed to, and call the villians reckless bets with less fear. Of course, it also helps that your collecting stats the more you play any particular level, which helps to put your opponent on a range.
With 12,000 hands a $10 NL, I know I'm full of leaks, but here are my basic stats:
>VPIP/PFR - 17/13
>3Bet - 2% (Low, but I'm working on it)
>Steal% - 39%
>bb/100 - 17.91
My bankroll just passed $500, (started with $50). I'll probably wait till $650 before I try to tackle the $25 tables, and start learning how to play the 6Max tables a little more.
Later,
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His implication was "when I hit, everyone folded." If you're frustrated you tend to make hasty generalizations like "when you hit, everyone folds" when you actually mean the past tense. Fwiw, I don't think it's helpful to argue semantics when the implied meaning is clear. Furthermore, it's not helpful to mislead someone about what could or could not happen in a small sample of hands. Learning to estimate when your downswing is due mostly to variance or bad play is a valuable skill. Wonderland has to ask himself whether or not he actually was telling the truth, and find out the answer to this question on his own. If you tell him that variance is an impossibility, you will end up confusing and misleading him.
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No, his implied meaning was that the players were so much better than the ones he's used to. What I am saying is that he probably ran bad because it's not possible that they could always raise him when he misses and fold when he hits.
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shh..... No need to spend time to argue on something so pointless.
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Ok, then we're in agreement. I thought it was obvious to everyone including wonderland that he ran badly, and that you were saying he could not have run this badly. But instead you meant he can't continue to have the same cbetting results against the weak opponents at 10NL, which is ldo.
I don't agree that when he said "when you hit, everyone folds" it meant that he thought the players at 10NL were so much better than at 5NL. It seems clear to me that he was merely expressing his frustration over the results of a particular session, because it's a common thing to say when you are not getting enough value out of your made hands and because it's so plainly ridiculously untrue of any poker game that runs for any statistically significant amount of hands. The whole tone of the OP implies to me that Wonderland was aware that he was overestimating the skill level of 10NL regs, and was looking for some support and confidence before taking another shot. He can obviously settle this dispute for us.
It was not my intent to make a smart-ass comment. I misunderstood your post as asserting that Wonderland had not run badly in this session when I believed that he had and that your comment could have misled him about the variance involved in a small sample of hands.
EDIT: Agree with stacks above obv, I just didn't like the statement that I would try to make a smart-ass comment about this, especially when those two statements, even interpreted purely semantically, are not logically incompatible
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With 12,000 hands a $10 NL, I know I'm full of leaks, but here are my basic stats:
>VPIP/PFR - 17/13
>3Bet - 2% (Low, but I'm working on it)
>Steal% - 39%
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yeah, semantics, i guess i meant this.... like one hand i had 88 and raised , got one call, flop came down 8QQ. So i thought, right, slow down, people are playing tight here so don't scare him off. I check called, then i could tell... JUST because i called the guy totally knew i had something... so it went check check on the turn, then check fold to me on the river.
I don't slow play anymore but i felt i could extract value there. But no way was i getting plays like that at 5nl. Then it was a case of PFR, miss, fire, get raised.... PFR, check raise.
Main point is (let's get back to the topic) it was a sudden leap in skill level that i wasn't expecting.
LoStr8, those are some very sick stats, i only beat 5nl for 12BB, i would get onto 25nl if i were beating 10 that much.
More comments on the leap please.
edit: i play on stars, wondering if it makes a diff?
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I'm sort of going to echo wonderland's point , in that I've just tried moving up to 10NL. I've had 2 weeks off actually playing poker because of work commitments so was watching grinderschool vids and reading the forums.Some ofthe comments made me realise that instead of having seperate bankrolls on each site , I should have 1 bankroll thats split across several sites and therefore rolled for a higher level.
A second realisation from my period of considering my game was that I was playing far too loosely at 6max ( I blame watching Spendas vids  ) and was playing far too many hands from out of position and consequently getting myself into far too many shitty positions. In hindsight Spenda is generally playing from in position even if he is playing looser, he has the post flop skills to carry off his style of play.
I lack the post flop skills and experience to be able to play that style profitably and I think that if I moved up playing as i was , that I'd be easy prey at a higher level.
The decision I have taken is to move to 10NL and play full ring using Rentons starting hand guide. I'm initially going to start by playing 1 table and gradually start playing more tables as I start to feel comfortable.The aim is that I should start to play a solid preflop game and become comfortable playing this style. Then at a later point I may move back to 6 max.
400 hands in my impression is that the play is an awful lot tighter than I'm used to but that was 5NL 6max.I'm sitting on a grand profit at 10NL of 95 cents. I was up 5$ after 100 hands , lost 10 $ on the next 100 hands playing on the wrong table sat in the wrong position . I had position on 1 maniac and next 2 players who had position on me were maniacs too. I should have moved table a lot earlier and its a lesson learnt. next 200 hands were last night and generally tight tables and just kept chipping up slowly to get me back into profit.stats for 403 hands are 18.36/11.17/1.44 ATS 39
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LoStr8, those are some very sick stats
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Yeah... I hear his coach is pretty badass.
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it depends, but sometimes I lead an 8QQ flop because I feel 99+ will be VERY suspicious and will pay me off at least two streets because I'm basically repping trips+
so I mean it's kind of expected you slowplay big hands so if you c/c with a boat here and b/f with air, it's kind of easy to see when you have a great hand and when you miss
although I'm sure NL10 opponents don't really pick up on that, there is a lot of merit in playing your big hands fast OOP
you pretty much shouldn't slowplay OOP
you should only induce bluffs when you're sure the guy will take a stab - and that needs reads
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LoStr8, those are some very sick stats, i only beat 5nl for 12BB, i would get onto 25nl if i were beating 10 that much.
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is this reverse implied nepotism?
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What types of hands are you stealing with. And what villians? Only the nits? Thanks
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My steal is 39% and I steal from the villains that sit to my left
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Any time you do anything different, the game will seem different. In this case, you jumped stakes, so, yes, the skill level will seem better partly because it is and also because you're coming to the table with a "wow, I'm playing at a higher stakes" attitude, and partly because 30 cents is just a small, standard 3x raise, but @ $5NL, that was a huge 6x raise, and maybe variance, and your sample size is small, or bad table selection and yadda yadda yadda.
I think the key to succeeding @ the next level is not taking shots, being properly rolled so you have plenty of time to get used to all the new variables, and playing with the same strategies (while always looking to improve) that brought you success at your last level.
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As I said earlier, I think it's a big mistake to play above your stakes. I won't go to $25 NL 'till I've got at least $600, and may wait as long as $700.
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I'm playing stars as well. It's plenty fishy. Be sure to mark the really bad players you run across, and search them out to exploit them.
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One of the baddest!
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Why, Keith, what on earth could you be referring to?
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Depends on the read I have on the villian. Obvously, the nittier the player, the wider my range for steal attempts.
Regarding the idea of playing 1 table to "get comfortable" at the next level. I would advise playing the maximum number of tables you can play solidly. I'm comfortable with 6 or 8 tables. Two reasons: First - playing more tables helps to discourage loose play due to boredom. Second - If playing solid poker, it's profitable to see as many hands per hour as possible. The caveat being that you must be comfortable with the level of activity you could be facing. (Though it rarely happens, I get a little nervous when I get simultaneous good hands on like 6 tables, and have to play them all. I'm subject to make more poor decisions in those instances.)
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I didn't read this entire thread, but I played 10nl FR today for the first time in almost a month. Played 8 tables and every one of them was a nit fest (most players had 10 vp$ip or less). That doesn't mean any of these players were any good. I ran 37/24 over 1k hands and cleaned up. You just gotta know when to fold. I raised AKs from UTG and a half-stacker who was 6/4 over 82 hands 3-bet me from the BB. I folded, he showed AA.
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fwiw i just really started playing 10NL regular and i find it worse than 5NL. same standard of players but a little tighter maybe. Less all-in w/93s maniacs maybe but im suddenly finding life a lot easier. people are playing v exploitably. well defined ranges etc. literally UTG, betting standard UTG range, c-betting horrible flops, and then checking turn after being floated. just awful. I think this will be by far my most easily beatable level.
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cheers ryokan.
So from your post and others, the main consistency i can find about 10nl is that it's tight/nitty. Normally that's my fallback play so what *i* think i'm going to have to start doing more of is being a bit agro, taking pots down when i don't think they have it etc.
I did start to get into this towards the end of 5nl and at the right tables it worked ok, specially when you can build an agro image and get played back at.
Anyone else agree that 10nl is mainly a nit fest?
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Just keep trying to generalize everything.
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I'd imagine his 3bet % was a more relevant statistic.
10NL is not a nitfest when you table select. Playing on a table full of nits at any microstakes level is indescribably idiotic. Like...I can't even begin to understand why someone would do that when 11JohnnyAA11 is always on the next table is open shoving ATC.
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Jeez guys... Come on... 10NL is not a nitfest by any means whatsoever. 10nl regs are by no means solid. While sweating my dad yesterday, he had a 86/22 (or close) to his right and a ~76/30 on his left. This was on one table, and I promise you stats like these were not the exception, but the norm. This was 10NL FR at Pokerstars.
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I am running 15/10 at 6-max and am 24BB/100 at 2NL and 18BB/100 at 5NL.
I run about 30/27 on tight tables, but never play them at micros.
Wonderland, you just need to table select better. If you get on a table that has an average of 20VPIP click the X button in the top right corner and find another table.
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LoStr8 just straight up shit on you fools
holla-atcha-boy sir
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OK Stax, i shall take your word for it. I'll also table select better.
I did go for tables that had % to flop of at least 45% but it's weird, sometimes this means nothing in relation to the average vpip on the table.
I'll get back into it tonight.
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bigspenda73
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Location: Pwnsylvania
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LoStr8 just straight up shit on you fools
holla-atcha-boy sir
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funny, I heard his coach likes little boys and that shit is genetic.
oh wait, that's Will
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OK Stax, i shall take your word for it. I'll also table select better.
I did go for tables that had % to flop of at least 45% but it's weird, sometimes this means nothing in relation to the average vpip on the table.
I'll get back into it tonight.
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change of plans, find the fish and sit with them
then you're guaranteed action and shi
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bigspenda73
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if you're playing FR you REALLY need to get into the habit of starting tables.
Why more of you don't do this is beyond me, also if your stakes have them, start only 50BB tables. I kinda want to make a thread on this but so many FR players are scared of the dark let alone HU play that I figured it would just get dismissed as "too crazy for me".
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Lucothefish
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I've sat and played at nitty tables at $10NL (3% p/f), yes they do exist and every time I'm online I could point out at least one in ten tables with a single digit p/f%. They are the exception not the rule. Naturally $10NL players will be a higher standard than $5NL, even if it's not by much, so yes play will appear tighter.
Protip: On a supernit table, your showdown hands go down in value and your junk goes up in value. I've achieved incredible BB/100 just by representing scare cards on tables like this (nits folding sets ftmfw) with absolute, complete air. Just LAG it up and bully the shit out of everyone until they lower their calling range against you, then BAM remind them why they used to fold TPGK to a hefty raise in the first place. Tiltarrific.
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<@d0zer> how will you learn if I don't berate you harshly?
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wonderland
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all sounds like good advice, thanks for contributing ladies and gents.
Spenda, i reckon people aren't scared of HU, i think they just can't be bothered with sitting there waiting for a table to fill?
suggestion: make a thread on playing short handed. Too often i think we leave tables when they get short when we should stay? that could coincide with starting tables and HU play.
Plus i think for a lot of people, myself included, HU play is tricky and has a great potential for spewage or at least variance prior to really getting that shit down.
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bigspenda73
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can't be bothered sitting on a table?
yea, guess poker or life isn't for them.
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Lucothefish
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I've been starting a new table quite often lately (if I see a few tables with queues, that's my cue) and yes the net result is basically 20-30 minutes of shooting fish in a barrel, before other regs spot the "75% p/f" statistic and home in. Highly recommended.
EDIT: I missed this line earlier:
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...the players that you would consider good still have considerable leaks that can be exploited.
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+10. Stacks wins the thread.
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<@d0zer> how will you learn if I don't berate you harshly?
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