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DogOnMySide
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10-13-2005, 10:06 AM
Post subject: Leakaholics Anonymous
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Flush
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Manchester, UK
Posts: 458
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Hi, my name is Silent7 and i'm a leakaholic.
I play out of position too much. I get far too wrapped up in my table-dominating image and find myself raising into people from early middle position with terrible rags like A6s, and then continuation betting anything from half to the full pot into a KJ6 board.
If i'm lucky I get reraised on the flop and get to fold like a cheap suit in a folding machine on folding day.
If i'm unlucky i get to the turn before realising i'm being slowplayed and have just bet out my last 6 or 7 hands' profit with out even defining my opponents hand. They could be on anything from the nut flush right down top and bottom pair, and they keep calling me.
On a good day I'm the king of the table, crushing all before me with my "value bets" and pot-sized raises with a hand so poor you could call it a foot. On a bad day I'm my own worst enemy, hoisting my sorry ass on my own petard.
But I've admitted the problem and I'm trying.
Come on people, share your biggest leak with the group. Nobody will judge you.
There's a lot of love in this room.
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LeFou
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4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Dallas, TX
Posts: 2,361
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Alright, here's mine:
I hold a nice pair: say TT and do what I should preflop
if it's headup and flop is like AA4 or KK8 and I bet too much at it, I think. But of course 90% of the time the guy with trips is going to flat call this regardless of how big my bet is. So I get no info and end up either checkfolding to a possibly-worse hand or committing most of my remaining stack on the turn, with a fairly weak holding. Advice?
Second: boy, do I cave in to donkbets. Generally if I'm not beating two pair I just drop it to a donkbet of any substantial size.
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Rondavu
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4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Jan 2005
Posts: 3,053
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I never believe the button has top pair. I always think he's representing when checked around to him. Therefore I raise him with top pair bad kicker or second pair any kicker to isolate against him. Sometimes I raise him with nothing (maybe a couple overs or something). I find myself getting raped a lot. I then type in the chat "How could this f'ing site give the last act top pair good kicker!"
I still think it's profitable to do this against an overaggressive player.
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It's not what's inside that counts. Have you seen what's inside?
Internal organs. And they're getting uglier by the minute.
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DogOnMySide
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Flush
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Manchester, UK
Posts: 458
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See how good it feels?
Come on people - 21 views and 2 replies - that's 20 people... who don't have anything consistently wrong with their game?
I understand. It's denial.
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LeFou
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4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Dallas, TX
Posts: 2,361
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21 -2 = 20?
I think i found another leak in yr game, Silent.
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Irisheyes
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4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: over there
Posts: 3,708
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I cant fold TPTK. I can fold 2 pair and up just fine but for some reason I get all mixed up with TPTK.
And I sure theres about 6 mil. other leaks I just don't know about yet.
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biondino
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4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Putney, UK; Full Tilt,Mansion; $50 NL and PL; $13 and $16 SNGs at Stars
Posts: 3,170
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Overbetting out of position. It wins a fair few pots but when I get called or raised, it takes away the money I made bullying every time.
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pgil
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Full House
Join Date: Jun 2005
Posts: 1,103
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I tend to get a good read with a mediocre hand, and then not listen to myself. eg. me with TT, one other person in the hand. I say to myself "he's got some kind of ace, I push on any non-ace flop." Flop comes Axx, i push anyways, he calls with Ax. D'oh.
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"If you can't say f*ck, you can't say f*ck the government" - Lenny Bruce
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thirteen
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Straight
Join Date: Jul 2005
Posts: 235
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Hi, I'm a leakaholic
I have a problem with suited cards. Gosh they're pretty... I'll just limp in, oh... wait a minraise... ok I'll only call a minraise... oh, shit, missed on the flop, guess i'll fold.
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CrunchyNuts
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Flush
Join Date: May 2005
Posts: 436
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I don't respect a min-raise nearly enough. Always seems so weak.
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edudlive
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Full House
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: 100NL 6max
Posts: 623
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Originally Posted by CrunchyNuts
I don't respect a min-raise nearly enough. Always seems so weak.
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adiamant
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Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Mass.
Posts: 64
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Good thread.
Hello, I'm adiamant and I'm a leakaholic.
I used to love the suited cards. I'm getting over that, though Axs still gives me pangs of regret when I fold them.
My current main leaks are overaggressiveness (so what if my AK/AQ completely missed the flop? I still have overcards, and maybe if I bet hard enough they'll fold, right?) and falling in love with my SB/BB limps (yeah, it was a bargain to limp for half price with 83s, but now that I hit a pair of 8s, surely this becomes playable, right?)
I will declare a period of fixing the leaks by over-discipline:
1. If I miss the flop I will fold my unmade hand, even if it is AK.
2. I will fold my SB more often, and will fold a less than 2 pair hit from the blinds.
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STIdrivr
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Flush
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Southern california
Posts: 580
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Originally Posted by adiamant
My current main leaks are overaggressiveness (so what if my AK/AQ completely missed the flop? I still have overcards, and maybe if I bet hard enough they'll fold, right?) and falling in love with my SB/BB limps (yeah, it was a bargain to limp for half price with 83s, but now that I hit a pair of 8s, surely this becomes playable, right?)
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It is not always bad if you raise pre flop and bet on the flop with A K if you dont hit. They may not like that ragy flop with their K Qs ,You just have to pick the right spot.
I have had the same problem of limping from SB and hitting a lil something and trying to steal it and losing or something. You just gotta think about it as you are in the worst position post flop, you want to have a hand like small pair, suited connectors or one gaped conectors so you can hit a big hand, check it and let everyone raise and re raise then go all in or something depending on stack sizes and draws on board.
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drmcboy
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DrButtInski
Administrator
Join Date: Aug 2004
Posts: 9,602
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Fire second barrel, say to self "this is the last money I'm putting in the pot" then firing on the river anyway.
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Seasider
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Flush
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Bangor UK
Posts: 563
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Not betting enough when I have the cards, betting too much when I dont! Also saying 'oh his draws hit then' looking at my set and calling anyway (getting slightly better at that one)
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Dio
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Join Date: Sep 2005
Posts: 14
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pgil, that sounds familiar! most times when i make a stupid call or raise, i have this inner voice telling me "he's got the A" or whatever it may be that beats me. then my finger seems to act on his own  and clicks to find out - then i go "gosh you knew he had the A why the f*** did you call"...
this happened lately twice to me when there were two pairs on the board, i had a boat and the other guy had a higher boat. hardly ever folding a boat is definitely a leak in my game (there's another voice saying "hey you got a boat and hey he might be bluffing with his all-in!!").
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gritter63
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Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Prescott, AZ
Posts: 16
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Hi, I'm Gritter63, although some of you may know me as Gof_Ace (Stars) or Golf_Ace_AZ (Empire), and I'm a Leakaholic.
My current biggest problem (there are so many to choose from, its hard to pick which one is the biggest) is not beleiving that the raiser actually has a hand. I guess I'm so desensitized to raises given the maniacs out there that every time someone raises into me I think "This guys just bluffing" and call. This is very destructive behavior. Please help.
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aislephive
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4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Downswinging holla!
Posts: 1,523
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I used to have the same problem of calling from the SB with hand that has no potential. I'll complete the SB as long as my cards are suited 1-3 gappers or high connectors.
Now my biggest problem is overdoing my bluffs and not realizing that they have a monster, that's a profit killer right there.
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renegaderob1
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Flush
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Australia
Posts: 311
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Hi,
my name is Rob, and I'm a leakaholic as well.
I tend to get caught up in the moment and forget everything I have learnt in seconds; "I have the baby straight, look, that guy pushed AI...idiot probably has a set...CALL!!" or "TPTK, why is that guy reraising me? I should probably push!"
This often ends up with me left standing holding my dick wondering why I didn't stop to think for just 5 seconds.
I'm trying to rectify this. I now have a big note next to my computer that says: THINK!!
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Fnord
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Moderator
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: I'll Do You Like A Truck
Posts: 19,333
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Great thread for us successful hand readers...
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Djanvk
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Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Freeport, Illinois
Posts: 39
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I'm Djanvk,
Large leakaholic and a newb here, but the most recent leak I have noticed in my game is my patience, I have this odd feeling that when I've folded my last 6 or so preflop cards that I must just play my next possible ok hand, instead of just waiting out the poor cards.
Must work on patience, can't always get preflops worth playing.
2. An ace in my hand looks good, but getting better at folding some of these.
3. Yes suited pocket cards are pretty, must hold on to them!!! Today was much better at this. And what do ya know did thow as much money in the pot to lose.
Great thread.
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"Don't look back, something might be gaining on you." -Satchel Paige
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Greedo017
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Full House
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: wearing the honors of honor and whatnot
Posts: 1,461
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what? that guy only has 30BB? That idiot reraised me preflop, he obviously has no clue what he's doing, my TT/AQ MUST be good
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i betcha that i got something you ain't got, that's called courage, it don't come from no liquor bottle, it ain't scotch
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synthesist
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Join Date: May 2005
Location: Oak Park, Illinois
Posts: 33
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Hello my name is synthesist and I'm a Leakoholic
I don't take my tim4e and observe before I jump in and go...............
Sometimes this works fine and I get cocky way too soon. I start out playing pure TAg and slowly devolve into a LAggy toad.
The only good news about this is I'm tuned into it and almost always leave before I blow my winnings.
Syn
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jukejointroach
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Straight
Join Date: Aug 2005
Posts: 131
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#1
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yeah, it was a bargain to limp for half price with 83s, but now that I hit a pair of 8s, surely this becomes playable, right?)
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#2 i see these guys every week. i can outplay them postflop.
#3 "the old lady's home. i'll steal a few blinds, make a big score next orbit, and leave here up a little bit."
#3 is discipline. it gets late, i get impatient and call off half my stack with ace high (and a runner-runner nut flush draw, god dammit, the implied odds were too good to pass up. i knew he tens full. but i had to know for sure.)
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allLiving
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Full House
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Los Angeles
Posts: 799
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I try too hard in ring games ONLINE to push people out of pots and just end up losing. Tournaments is where I belong.
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PocketFives - allLiving
Pokerstars - [595-ESCAPE]
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_KO_
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Join Date: Oct 2005
Posts: 83
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My name's KO, and I'm a leakaholic.
When I make my hand on the flop, bet it strong, then get the sinking feeling that the other guy drawing without odds hit his on the turn, I believe going all in will make my hand the nuts again.
I believe pocket AA beats all flopped sets.
Sometimes I 'm 95% sure I'm beat, but matching an AI can't dissuade me from getting to 100% sure.
I believe everyone else is always bluffing.
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~~ KO
"Argue for your limitations and, sure enough, they're yours." ~~ The Messiahs Handbook
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Vrax
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Full House
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Poland
Posts: 632
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I'm pushoholic.
I flop TPTK, see bets into me and often push without reads. If you camp for sets, and are not getting paid off from it, you can find me at .......
When I flop flushdraw I also have DBS (Doyle Brunson Syndrome) against calling whales.
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"How could I call that bet? How could you MAKE that bet? It's poker not solitaire. " - that Gus Bronson guy
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RaiRaiGokuu
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Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Greenwood, IN
Posts: 13
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I'm too afraid of looking like a pushover by folding to bluffs. So, I try too hard to spot the bluffs and end up losing a lot when they really DO have it.
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BankItDrew
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4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Losing Prop Bets
Posts: 2,789
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My pre-flop calling range is too wide. Anywhere between mid suited connectors and up. I don't know my percentages but I'm probably about 35%.
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A10Chief
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Flush
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Germany
Posts: 285
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I do real good for the whole tournament and take a top 20 chip position into the bubble. Then I get all wimpy and barely make the money cause I'm scared to bubble out.
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There's three types of people in the world...those who can count, and those who can't.
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nutsinho
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4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: flattin ur 4bets, makin u tilt
Posts: 3,280
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I'm a leakaholic! I'm addicted to leakahol!
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My bankroll is the amount of money I would spend or lose before I got a job. It is calculated by adding my net worth to whatever I can borrow.
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Checkways
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Straight
Join Date: Jun 2005
Posts: 249
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Originally Posted by _KO_
When I make my hand on the flop, bet it strong, then get the sinking feeling that the other guy drawing without odds hit his on the turn, I believe going all in will make my hand the nuts again.
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LOL! This is the stupidest play EVER! I can't tell you how many times I've done it! Oh my God. It's the worst. I always feel like such a stupid donk.
It's like, "I know you probably have the nuts now, but I had a really good hand so I'm just gonna rep the nuts now. Oh wait, but you do have the nuts. Damn, why didn't that work?"
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Checkways
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Straight
Join Date: Jun 2005
Posts: 249
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Hi, my name is Checkways and I'm a Leakaholic. First, I'd just like to say that I think this is the greatest post ever.
I fold to big bets when I have a big stack like a super big wussy.
I get too fancy. Like checking my TPTK on the flop against one opponent who happens to hold a low pocket pair. And guess what? They hit their set on the turn.
I call bets with nothing just so I can try to steal the pot on the turn and then I pick up some stupid ass draw and call another big bet. I miss on the river and fold like a stupid fish.
I out-think myself. Like - I think that he thinks I have trips, so I'm going to check the river and rep just top pair, but since he's got at least two pair, then he'll value bet it, and then I'll get to raise him. But because I raised on the flop and bet weak on the turn, he might think I'm just bluffing completely and call me. Oh, he went all in. I guess he has the straight. I fold. Wait. Damnit, I forgot what I was repping!
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bair
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Full House
Join Date: May 2005
Posts: 953
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My name is bair.
I bluff 24/7. I assume that if i keep bluffing, ill get it down perfectly, and win every pot in every tournament.
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sejje
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Full House
Join Date: Mar 2005
Posts: 883
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My name is Jesse. I'm king-leakoholic.
I've actually developed my leaks after much playing time. AA used to be foldable on a flop like 458 when a tightie checkraised me all-in with a set. Now, there's no way it could be beat.
My limit game is a loser, yet I keep playing it trying to convert.
And I push the nuts way too often instead of value-betting.
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tom
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Straight
Join Date: May 2005
Location: ATX
Posts: 158
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I forget that the top 3, not 4, spots pay out in 1 table SnG's at stars and feel a need to push against the big stack thinking he's just trying to play w/ my fear of bubbling.
Put me down for pushing instead of value betting the nuts as well.
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DogOnMySide
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Flush
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Manchester, UK
Posts: 458
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What a great response to a thread which i thought might sink like a rock tied to an anchor.
I think you should all give yourselves a pat on the back.
Next month: Jerry Springer with "I battled my wife heads up... and lost!"
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dstir2
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Straight
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Lawrence, KS
Posts: 144
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my biggest leak in my game is overemphasizing my acceptance of the theory that strong is weak, and weak is strong. i called an all-in trips a/ two-pair simply because i thought the guy was trying to scare me off, im such an idiot sometimes.
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Seabass
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Straight
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: trying not to die
Posts: 205
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Atm, my leaks are that I'm not trusting my reads enough and that my 6 max game aint on top. However here are some things that I've worked out of my game in my first year, told in the order they appeared.
1) Playing to many hands and not having a clue when a hand (any hand) was good or not. (Cashed out my $$$ and saved some face.) To deal with it I began reading articles and those turned my game into nr2.
2) Playing way to tight, waiting for big hands and overbetting them preflop. Still not having a clue if they where good if I got called. (Accualy still made money doing this at low buy-in sng's and therefor I didnt do anything about it.)
3) Not knowing how/why/when to blind steal. When trying to learn I got bored and moved to cash games.
4) Still having a hard time reading opps and putting them on a hand, still thinking about what I had and not what they had. (Realy bad in cash games) Oh, and calling way to much with my flush draws that I never got payed with when they hit.
5) For whatever reason I began playing very LP during the time I was moving up. Calling way to much preflop looking for a good hand and limping solid hands that I should have raised. Then when they hit, I had no clue if they where good or not.
6) Having a go at limit even though I know I suck at it. Lucky me that I got bored real fast.
7) Having a hard time letting PP go in my hunt for sets. Pushing to much and not value betting when I did have a hand. (This wasnt realy a leak at the lower stakes, but at the higher, money was running away.)
I alsow had a note that said "THINK FFS". Cant say it helped.
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Originally Posted by LeFou
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I think I found another leak your game, LeFou.
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lamaros
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Flush
Join Date: Jul 2005
Posts: 346
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I try to make up for cold cards by making fancier plays and lose all the profit I make through solid play and fancy plays with decent cards.
When losing at a hard table I always stick around and try to beat it.
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biondino
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4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Putney, UK; Full Tilt,Mansion; $50 NL and PL; $13 and $16 SNGs at Stars
Posts: 3,170
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Another one - I flop two pair and decide that whatever happens, I'm going all in.
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Werddown
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Flush
Join Date: Jul 2005
Posts: 302
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Originally Posted by Silent7
Next month: Jerry Springer with "I battled my wife heads up... and lost!"
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ROFL
I get married to my top pair and end up calling/raising 2pair, sets, straights, flushes, and boats all the way to the river only to lose most or all of my stack.
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harmisajedi
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Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: sf bay
Posts: 41
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hello im harm & i leak like a 6 year old w/ diarrhea.
tptk on a flop w/ 2 color on it, i'll almost always misread flat calls on the flop as somebody chasing a nut flush.
top pp on a rag flop, eg tt/jj vs overpair when somebody has flat called my 4/5xbb raise in late-ass position. it's extremely hard for me to put somebody on qq/kk unless they re-raise.
a9/t/js late position, calling/hitting an ace & re-raising a half-pot bet on the flop thinking that a lagger is trying to rep an ace he doesn't have.
tptk vs board pairing under or underundercard on the turn, eg. flop k93 & turn's a 9 or a 3. i usually have a hard time believing anybody's stupid enough to call a pot-sized bet w/ under or underunderpair on the flop & no draws.
trying to limp in from early/middle position w/ low/middle pockets hoping to hit a set on the flop, slow-roll & demolish somebody w/ a boat vs. their top set on paired board.
...plus a million others...
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i bet 2 dolla on my flush draw
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STIdrivr
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Flush
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Southern california
Posts: 580
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Originally Posted by harmisajedi
hello im harm & i leak like a 6 year old w/ diarrhea.
tptk on a flop w/ 2 color on it, i'll almost always misread flat calls on the flop as somebody chasing a nut flush.
top pp on a rag flop, eg tt/jj vs overpair when somebody has flat called my 4/5xbb raise in late-ass position. it's extremely hard for me to put somebody on qq/kk unless they re-raise.
a9/t/ js late position, calling/hitting an ace & re-raising a half-pot bet on the flop thinking that a lagger is trying to rep an ace he doesn't have.
tptk vs board pairing under or underundercard on the turn, eg. flop k93 & turn's a 9 or a 3. i usually have a hard time believing anybody's stupid enough to call a pot-sized bet w/ under or underunderpair on the flop & no draws.
trying to limp in from early/middle position w/ low/middle pockets hoping to hit a set on the flop, slow-roll & demolish somebody w/ a boat vs. their top set on paired board.
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Wat stakes do you play at? Sounds like you are playing at low stakes,you cant give these guys too much credit, and they all love to slow play QQ-AA, i have seen a guy in SB just complete with 4 limpers with KK, and people love to just call raises pre flop with AA then check the flop lol
They also love to call with middle pair trying to hit 2 pair or a set.
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harmisajedi
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Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: sf bay
Posts: 41
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Originally Posted by STIdrivr
Wat stakes do you play at?
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i switch it up--currently im mting 3 50 buy-in tables but i usually sit @ 2 200-buy-ins. the 50-buy-ins are usually guaranteed double-ups within an hour--unless i get exceptionally unlucky--but @ the 200 buy-in, people tend to be too erratic for me to follow.
maybe i should just start spectating a ton & making notes?
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i bet 2 dolla on my flush draw
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vaks
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Flush
Join Date: Apr 2005
Posts: 331
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chrisa
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3-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Melbourne, Australia
Posts: 86
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Hi, my name is Chris and I've come to join the Leakaholics support group.
My main leak is that I know that I'm beat when faced with a raise/re-raise and I have a read on my opponent and his cards but I call anyway to prove myself right...
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kb coolman
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Flush
Join Date: Oct 2008
Posts: 596
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Wow. Vaks reeealy went bump trolling on this one.
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