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Revolver123
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01-30-2009, 03:53 AM
Post subject: Leak fixing time
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As I strive to become a player, here are some plays I was thinking of adopting for my tight ABC play at micro stakes.
If I am holding QJo, KJo, KQo, or ATo and I'm raise PF by someone in an earlier position than me, I will fold these hands.
If I hold QJo KJO KQo or ATo in UTG UTG + 1 or maybe MP1 depending on the table, I will fold these hands preflop.
If I have AK in first to act position post flop, I completely miss the flop and there's 2 or more people in the hand, I will not c-bet but rather check. (depending on the players of course)
What do you guys think?
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openfolding AJo from UTG is SUPER STANDARD at full ring tables
are you playing 6m?
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Revolver123
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full ring. Not sure what open folding means. Is that folding to a raise from an earlier position?
And yes I forgot to add AJo into that mix.
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Illfavor
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How about, "If I have KJ or QJ offsuit I will instamuck them if I am not in the cutoff or better"?
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Ich grolle nicht...
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Revolver123
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Really? At a really loose table would you toss KJo or QJo in MP2 or MP3?
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Originally Posted by Revolver123
full ring. Not sure what open folding means. Is that folding to a raise from an earlier position?
And yes I forgot to add AJo into that mix.
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openfolding means you open the betting by folding your hand 
but yeah AQo is like a totally marginal hand in the EP
by extension AJo/KQo are totally marginal in the MP depending on the LP players
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Micro2Macro
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Check out Renton's Full ring guide on preflop play. He does a good job explaining why to open what hands in what positions etc. and how to adjust based on game conditions. It's under Poker Strategy I believe..
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Revolver123
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I'm actually trying to limit reading strategy guides besides flop % chances and other must-know stuff.
I've seen alot of instances where players become obsessed with poker strategy and turn into robots that follow strategy guides as if they were the Bible, unable to think for themselves.
While it may take me awhile, I'd rather learn some lessons on my own and develop an intuition for the game. Most importantly, i want to be able to think for myself and outsmart other players. I think it will make me a better player in the long run. You have no idea how many times I see people 8 tabling at 5NL playing in robot mode, only to have their pots stolen numerous times by me 
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Micro2Macro
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Well what you said regarding the hands you mentioned dumping is basically what Renton covers, but he also explains how to adjust to differerent types of players etc. I.e. in some situations it would be okay to call a raise with a hand such as QJ and so on. His guide highlights things like that.
It's good that you're trying more to be more adaptive as opposed to strictly following 'x' requirements all the time.
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"Once we reach a certain level of mastery, we see there are higher levels and challenges. If we are disciplined and patient, we proceed. At each higher level, new pleasures and insights await us--ones not even suspected when we started out. We can take this as far as we want--in any human activity there is always a higher level to which we can aspire."
Check out my blog here!
"You are a degenerate Gaam-balur"
http://www.philgalfond.com/lets-make-some-changes/
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Revolver123
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The problem is at micro, it's so hard to get reads on other players. It's rare that people stay at a table for more than 20 minutes in microstakes, so it's hard to see how they play.
The only way for me to get accurate reads is by typing their name in find a player to see how many tables they are playing. If they're playing four or more, then it's safe for me to assume they are playing tight ABC poker and to respect their raise. If they are playing just one table, then that might be a situation where I call their "raise" (which is usually a min raise) with QJo.
I'm looking forward to higher stakes where all this strategy matters and I can use it to outsmart my opponent
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Micro2Macro
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I think the opposite is true. You can get a grasp on someones style in less than 20 minutes for sure. Even the first few hands at the table should be enough to push you in the right direction in developing some reads.
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"Once we reach a certain level of mastery, we see there are higher levels and challenges. If we are disciplined and patient, we proceed. At each higher level, new pleasures and insights await us--ones not even suspected when we started out. We can take this as far as we want--in any human activity there is always a higher level to which we can aspire."
Check out my blog here!
"You are a degenerate Gaam-balur"
http://www.philgalfond.com/lets-make-some-changes/
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Originally Posted by Revolver123
I'm actually trying to limit reading strategy guides besides flop % chances and other must-know stuff.
I've seen alot of instances where players become obsessed with poker strategy and turn into robots that follow strategy guides as if they were the Bible, unable to think for themselves.
While it may take me awhile, I'd rather learn some lessons on my own and develop an intuition for the game. Most importantly, i want to be able to think for myself and outsmart other players. I think it will make me a better player in the long run. You have no idea how many times I see people 8 tabling at 5NL playing in robot mode, only to have their pots stolen numerous times by me |
sorry but lol @ this
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4-of-a-Kind
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Originally Posted by Revolver123
I'm looking forward to higher stakes where all this strategy matters and I can use it to outsmart my opponent |
You mean your looking forward to higher stakes so you can take the strategy you are developing on your own (assuming because you don't read) and attempting to apply it against numerous individuals who have have read and studied proven concepts and theories. Good luck re-inventing the wheel.. If the car doesn't move you will know why.
oh and btw I'm sorry for being an asshole. Tonight is a shitty night.
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Micro2Macro
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I couldn't find a way to write it nicely either so thanks for taking the stand stacks.
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"Once we reach a certain level of mastery, we see there are higher levels and challenges. If we are disciplined and patient, we proceed. At each higher level, new pleasures and insights await us--ones not even suspected when we started out. We can take this as far as we want--in any human activity there is always a higher level to which we can aspire."
Check out my blog here!
"You are a degenerate Gaam-balur"
http://www.philgalfond.com/lets-make-some-changes/
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Keith
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How did you learn to drive? did you have someone in the car advising you where you were going wrong and telling you what you should be doing or did you just jump in and start driving. Ok , you had several accidents along the way and scare the shit outta your passengers but hell , you can get from A to B now.
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bigspenda73
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I haven't read all of these posts, but people who write off balance, merging, Shania, and all that other good stuff at lower stakes are the people that have the hardest time moving up.
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DoanDiggy
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I'm playing 6-max and giving a looser, more aggressive preflop raising range a shot. We're talking about a PFR well above 20.
Want to know what offsuit unpaired hands are in my preflop raising ranges in early-middle position?
UTG: AQo+
MP (HJ): AJo+, KQo
CO: ATo+, KJo+, QJo
Keep in mind that UTG in 6-max is equivalent to MP2 in full ring. I'm not even raising KJo or QJo until I get to the cutoff. It's just too hard to play out of position against either calling stations or good players when you miss the flop. When you are opening with weak unsuited cards in early position, you are missing the flop like 70% of the time. And that doesn't even account for the times one of the 8+ players behind you reraises you and you have to insta-muck a hand like KJo or make a crying call getting like 8-to-1 because it was a minraise and all the other idiots came along as well.
Seriously, read some strategy. After you get the what, the why, and the how of the basic strategy, then you will know what you can change and why you're doing it. More knowledge doesn't make you play like a robot, it gives you the knowledge to make better decisions.
The next time you're sitting there UTG and you look at your cards, raise it up if you are holding TT+, AQs+, AKo+. Limp with 22-99 (only at low stakes). Fold everything else! Or not, it's your money.
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celtic123
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Originally Posted by DoanDiggy
................... We're talking about a PFR well above 20.
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Hi, what does that mean?
Does it mear a prefop range well above 20 starting hands?
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DoanDiggy
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No, it means that I would be raising preflop more than 20% of the time. If it folds to me using this style, I'm raising:
9.9% of hands UTG
17.8% MP (HJ)
25.5% CO
40% Button
37.6% SB vs BB
This range includes a disproportionately-high amount of suited cards (connectors, broadways, and more) and is pretty much insane. It's mostly an experiment for me to get into some interesting spots and try to test the boundaries of profitability (for me). It's certainly not recommended for a beginner 6max player. I'm currently playing at 10NL with a $500 BR, so it seems like a decent time to be testing out these sorts of things.
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