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Zee Devee

10-23-2006, 12:31 AM Post subject: Is this a leak?

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PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t20 (8 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

UTG =#A500AF(Villian)/ (t1460)
UTG+1 (t1490)
Hero (t1610)
MP2 (t3100)
CO (t1470)
Button (t1470)
SB (t1440)
BB (t1460)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with J

, T

.
UTG =#A500AF(Villian)/ calls t20, 1 fold, Hero calls t20, MP2 calls t20, CO calls t20, 1 fold, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (t120) 3

, 9

, J

(6 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Villian bets t20, Hero raises to t100, MP2 calls t100, CO calls t100, SB folds, BB calls t100, Villian calls t80.

Turn: (t620) K

(5 players)
BB checks, Villian bets t20, Hero raises to t200, MP2 calls t200, CO calls t200, BB folds, Villian calls t180.

River: (t1420) 8

(4 players)
Villian bets t1140 (All-In), Hero folds, MP2 folds, CO folds.

Final Pot: t2560

Villain seems rather tight.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t100 (7 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

UTG (t1150)
MP1 (t2245)
MP2 (t5265)
CO (t1530)
Hero (t3985)
SB (t2140)
BB (t1315)

Preflop: Hero is Button with A

, T

.
UTG calls t100, 3 folds, Hero calls t100, 1 fold, BB checks.

Flop: (t350) 3

, 3

, 6

(3 players)
BB checks, UTG bets t100, Hero raises to t300, BB folds, UTG raises to t1050, Hero folds.

Final Pot: t1700

Should I have slowed down and stop and on the second should I stop trying to push them out of pots?

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10-23-2006, 12:41 AM

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Hand 1 fold preflop.

Hand 2 raise or fold preflop, probably raise if he's weak/tight.

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10-23-2006, 02:05 AM

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Whatt HalvSame said. On Hand 1, as played, after your flop raise is called don't raise the turn, just call the donkminbet (why do people minbet 20 into a 620 pot ?!?!?). River is a definite fold.

You can post these tourney hands in the Sit N Go Tourney Tactics forum too, we don't bite.

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10-23-2006, 02:01 PM

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Hand 1: Only play marginal hands early in an SNG if you can play after the flop. As played, I wouldn't get too crazy with just one pair and weak kicker. Try to play it as cheaply as possible. If it was folded to you on the flop, take a stab at it. I don't mind reraising weak bets if your opponents are known to fold.

Hand 2: Calling is ok since you are in position. Against weak opponents you can raise here as well to either get limper to fold pre or take control on the flop. However, UTG has limped and this could be a sign of him slowplaying a monster. If you were paying attention early in the tourney you may have a read here. I don't mind the reraise on the flop since he bet weak . A fold to his weak bet isn't bad either.

biondino

10-23-2006, 02:40 PM

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hand one is a combination of leaks. Seriously, learn why you make these mistakes and you'll fix half a dozen leaks in one go.

1) you have a playable drawing hand pre-flop but bad position. I don't hate playing this - it's early, it's a speculative hand, it's easy to dump - but it's also eminently foldable.

2) there are lots of players in this pot. This means you either have to have a monster and can afford to take others along for the ride (a flopped straight, say, or a set), or you can play a good drawing hand (OESD or flush draw) IF you are given the odds to do so. Again, being out of position makes this less likely as it means you have to call bets with the danger of raises still to come. What you have is TPWK - a decent hand, sure, but very likely to either already be behind with so many people in the pot, or be facing multiple straight and flush draws. Your raise here is admirable but probably doomed - I might not even bet here, then maybe call or raise if a LP player does bet. But with so many people in the pot you have to be ULTRA-aware that you're probably not going to win it - a prudent fold might be your best course of action.

3) your turn bet is unforgiveable. Not only has an overcard come which is very likely to have hit a villain, but you're not even betting enough to make draws fold/bet with bad odds. You are quite literally donking off cash here - I could even find a fold after utg's minbet. Just get out - there's nothing in this pot for you.

4) thank god he pushed, otherwise you might have thrown away more chips.

To recap - top pair crap kicker is an APPALLING hand against multiple villains, out of position, on a co-ordinated board. Watch out for all these things and don't do it again

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10-23-2006, 09:48 PM

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hand 1 is fine to call preflop because the blinds are so low compared to stacks. Don't play anything but hitting big however.

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