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Old 09-27-2010, 09:21 PM     Post subject: KQo @ 5nl 4 way action. #1 (permalink)  
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 SB is 6/2 over 50 hands
No reads on the other players.

My plan is to bet fold flop. I really didn't expect all of them to call.

Im a bit lost on how I construct a range against 3 opponents. All I know if I bet I have to call everyone but the SB, who i can be sure has me beat due to his stats. The others might get crazy with some draws, plus there are lot of middle pair hands to. Really I am just lost. Since the pot is so bloated.

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SB ($5.44)
BB ($9.93)
UTG ($7.50)
UTG+1 ($13.42)
Hero (MP1) ($5.26)
MP2 ($4.01)
MP3 ($5.60)
CO ($2.08)
Button ($7.53)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with Q, K
2 folds, Hero bets $0.20, MP2 calls $0.20, MP3 calls $0.20, 2 folds, SB calls $0.18, BB calls $0.15

Flop: ($1) 10, Q, 8 (5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $0.65, MP2 calls $0.65, MP3 calls $0.65, SB calls $0.65, 1 fold

Turn: ($3.60) 2 (4 players)
SB checks, HERO?
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Old 09-27-2010, 09:36 PM #2 (permalink)  
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Im a bit lost on how I construct a range against 3 opponents.
Put each of them on a range ldfo.
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 *Fold pre*

Not a big fan of KQo oop in general then you add two additional peeps behind you and it just looks shitty. I would probably just c/f tbh. I think it's reasonable to believe that somewhere in ALL those ranges there are just so many possiblitys that we are behind.
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Old 09-27-2010, 09:41 PM #4 (permalink)  
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*Fold pre*

Not a big fan of KQo oop in general then you add two additional peeps behind you and it just looks shitty. I would probably just c/f tbh. I think it's reasonable to believe that somewhere in ALL those ranges there are just so many possiblitys that we are behind.
I disagree too many draws here and 2p/sets/straights woudl need to raise for protection vs so many opps. I'd just shove this turn.
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Old 09-27-2010, 09:48 PM #5 (permalink)  
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 Harley, its 5nl and it is MP1. There is little risk of someone trying to 3 bet bluff me here, plus most poeple will play very straightforward on flop and turn, So I am not likely to get owned by someone playing 55 when a single over card drops.
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Harley, its 5nl and it is MP1. There is little risk of someone trying to 3 bet bluff me here, plus most poeple will play very straightforward on flop and turn, So I am not likely to get owned by someone playing 55 when a single over card drops.
It's just a matter of styles, raising KQo MP1 is fine, but people on the tighter side of life may fold it.
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 I'd shove the turn like Muzz. There's a massive number of gutters, flush draws, mid pair + draw hands out there and even if everyone folds their draws we still scoop a solid 3/5 of a BI from the pot.
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 Agree with Harley. KQo in MP1 is pushing it at 5nl. Maybe I'ma bit tight but I'm not opening it til the HJ. It is the micros and I think tight goes a long way here.
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I disagree too many draws here and 2p/sets/straights woudl need to raise for protection vs so many opps. I'd just shove this turn.
I'm just a fucking nit what can I say!
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 Fuck noy opening KQ from MP1!

And shove for sure.
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KQo in MP1 is pushing it at 5nl.
This sentence really made me lol, not entirely sure why, it just sounds so pathetically cautious. - No offence Ahole, I'm sure you can play that way profitably.
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Old 09-28-2010, 09:09 AM #12 (permalink)  
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 i'm pretty neutral about preflop. definitely opening KQs here but whatever. on a wet flop with a top pair/decent kicker hand against (presumably) passice opponents, i like betting more. and i like bet/folding too. like perhaps 0.90 or pot. doubt that'll change calling ranges significantly, if at all, but bigger sizing reduces implied odds for any two clubs, KJs,KJo etc.
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 pot flop. It won't change the calling range.
pre I'd rather have KQo than AJo or ATs there. When people stack off with TP a and 2nd pair a lot, TPGK goes way up in value. You can probably open that profitably UTG. KQs for sure.
As played you can c/f or shove if you think they'll call with draws and weired shit. Actually 3.5 and shove any river might be more optimal cos people are stupid.
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 Why are you betting so small on a wet 4 way flop? Just pot it and probably fold to a shove. As played turn is a brick so I'd jam.
 
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Old 09-28-2010, 03:53 PM #15 (permalink)  
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 Yeah, you are right about the flop, I should go bigger. I tend to bet more, I guess I got scared due to multi way. Lack of experience in weird situation sucks.

Thanks for input, though sadly, this is prob not a common situation.

Also, I open KQs UTG about 20% of the time, when I feel like it. I suspect this is too nitty.

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Old 09-29-2010, 01:18 AM #16 (permalink)  
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only time I fold KQs UTG is when i'm distracted and don't feel like playing hands. I usually end up closing the tables soon after. my stats are 18/15 so I don't know how tight your stats would be folding that from MP
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