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abysil

05-15-2010, 04:07 PM Post subject: KQ in BB tpgk, would you have called the turn?

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This guy just sat down, so no reads, but considering he didn't reraise pre I didn't put him on any strong hands like AK or AA, so I felt my pair of kings was good on the dry board. Also the pot sized bet on the flop sortof screamed bluff. If he had a hand and wanted a call wouldn't he bet 2/3 pot or 1/2 pot? Probably. Same for the turn shove. Comments?

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.02 BB (5 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

MP ($2)
Button ($4.25)
SB ($1.40)
Hero (BB) ($2.38)
UTG ($2.03)

Preflop: Hero is BB with K

, Q

UTG bets $0.07, 2 folds, SB calls $0.06, Hero calls $0.05

Flop: ($0.21) K

, 3

, 8

(3 players)
SB bets $0.21, Hero calls $0.21, 1 fold

Turn: ($0.63) 10

(2 players)
SB bets $1.12 (All-In), Hero calls $1.12

River: ($2.87) A

(2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $2.87 | Rake: $0.19

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NightGizmo

05-18-2010, 07:39 AM

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I agree that you should have called the flop, because you have TPGK on a very dry board. Your opponent could have a weaker kicker or a weaker pair.

But without any reads, I would have probably folded the turn. The combination of a PSB flop bet and 2xPSB turn shove is too much heat against an unknown. I've personally made those kinds of mistakes (talking myself into calling large bets against unknowns when I am probably either way ahead or way behind) too much at the micros -- trust me, in the long run you will end up giving away a LOT more money than you win in those situations.

Of course, now that you know the villain is a maniac it is much easier to call him down light and still expect to be ahead. Add a note and hope he keeps playing at your tables.

spoonitnow

05-18-2010, 12:13 PM

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EasyPoker

05-18-2010, 01:02 PM

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Board: Kh 3d 8s
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 53.825% 47.85% 05.98% 248694 31059.00 { KQo }
Hand 1: 46.175% 40.20% 05.98% 208938 31059.00 { KK+, TT, AKs, KTs+, AKo, K8o+, K3o }

I'm calling.

Please tell me if this is wrong.

[20:19] <Zill4> god
[20:19] <Zill4> u guys
[20:19] <Zill4> so fking hopeless
[20:19] <Zill4> and dumb

Keith

05-18-2010, 01:36 PM

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preflop SB just called , so could be set mining with low PP ,slow playing a monster or seeing how well he flops with a random broadway, Ax hand. Are there any reads on UTG? why call an UTG raise (usually a stronger range) and ensure that you are out of position with an offsuit potentially dominated hand.i.e articulate your reasons for flatting this raise.

on the flop , SB obviously likes his hand AA AK KK 33 88 all have you crushed. cant see him betting pot with QJ AJ AQ here. Youre ahead of KJ KT 22 44-77 99-QQ

on the turn ....this smells like a set here, or AK. without reads I fold

EasyPoker

05-18-2010, 01:50 PM

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*slaps self for not including 33,88 in the stove calculation*

[20:19] <Zill4> god
[20:19] <Zill4> u guys
[20:19] <Zill4> so fking hopeless
[20:19] <Zill4> and dumb

sven00100

05-18-2010, 04:19 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by EasyPoker

I'm confused here, why is the K8o+ and KTs+ not K8s+ and KTo+?
I don't necessarily like the range of hands, but regardless, that doesn't make sense to me. also, your pokerstove should have the turn on there as well, as this is where we are making our decision, yours just confirmed our flop call, so given your ranges (I'll just use the same ones here..)

Board: Kh 3d 8s Tc
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 35.901% 30.35% 05.56% 721 132.00 { KcQh }
Hand 1: 64.099% 58.54% 05.56% 1391 132.00 { KK+, TT, AKs, KTs+, AKo, K8o+, K3o }

if this is his range, I am folding FTW, unless I have a good read.
However, I also feel the range is either much wider, or much narrower than this. That really depends on his playing style... though he can't be making much money pot/shove on flop/turn with made hands overall, if he does this with monsters. So I would guess** a wider range than this, though I am not personally shipping here though that is my strategy.

(((EDIT:: Also, you'll note I put the suits of the cards in pokerstove, though this isn't super significant it does change the numbers over having simply KQo, at least until the turn comes. it changes equity from 53.825% to 53.285%, this is because his KcQh only covers one of the suits on the board, so since there is a heart on the board, this removes outs for one double flush draw. On average generic KQo is going to cover more than one suit on this board, maybe something like 1.3. This is relatively insignificant, and won't make a difference in our decision here, but there are situations where it might make more of a difference, ie. XYs rather than XhYh. Just thought I would mention that for future reference, as it essentially gives the calculations more (and more accurate) information.)))

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