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apunisher
Old 06-08-2006, 04:15 AM     Post subject: KK: Should i fold this preflop? #1 (permalink)  
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I called the raise, intending on getting all my chips in the middle on the flop regardless, thinking that maybe some hands would be betting the flop that i beat that wouldn't call an ai push pf. I also decided when i called to pay of aa. Is this a bad mindset?

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$50 NL Texas Hold'em - Thursday, June 08, 00:02:11 ET 2006
Table Table 98150 (Real Money)
Seat 3 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 6: wesman46 ( $122.11 )
Seat 9: Cardinalkid5 ( $99.17 )
Seat 3: AATrain01 ( $41.96 )
Seat 2: LuckyDog205 ( $43.70 )
Seat 5: middleP ( $14.75 )
Seat 1: BoldBifma ( $36.25 )
Seat 10: DEFERMAT ( $51.45 )
Seat 4: SADDAD ( $48.10 )
Seat 7: meltedtime ( $50.75 )
SADDAD posts small blind [$0.25].
middleP posts big blind [$0.50].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to AATrain01 [ Kh Kd ]
wesman46: learn to raise the flop and ill fold
wesman46 folds.
meltedtime raises [$2].
wesman46: you are bad
Cardinalkid5 calls [$2].
DEFERMAT folds.
BoldBifma calls [$2].
LuckyDog205 folds.
AATrain01: i want u to keep betting with just 3 outs to beat me
AATrain01: noob
>You have options at Hohenstein (No DP) Table!.
AATrain01 raises [$8].
SADDAD folds.
middleP folds.
meltedtime raises [$12].
Cardinalkid5 folds.
BoldBifma folds.
>You have options at Table 96958 (No DP) Table!.
nice bluff man
i called it
im good
AATrain01 calls [$6].
** Dealing Flop ** [ 9d, 8h, 9s ]
meltedtime bets [$10.28].
AATrain01 is all-In [$27.96]
meltedtime calls [$17.68].
** Dealing Turn ** [ 2h ]
** Dealing River ** [ 3d ]
>You have options at Hohenstein (No DP) Table!.
meltedtime shows [ Ad, Ac ] two pairs, aces and nines.
AATrain01 doesn't show [ Kh, Kd ] two pairs, kings and nines.
meltedtime wins $85.67 from the main pot with two pairs, aces and nines.
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Old 06-08-2006, 04:39 AM #2 (permalink)  
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nh....basically one hand or a donkey set beats you. I couldn't lay this down...maybe TT, JJ or QQ call too.
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Old 06-08-2006, 05:29 AM #3 (permalink)  

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lay down KK preflop? who does that - really. i have heard people do it... i just think it takes extraordinary circumstances. convincing yourself you made a "great laydown" is usually just hollow justification. show me someone who can say they laid it down preflop more times than they have fingers and generally i will show you someone who isn't playing to win...

i'm not sure your roll or your normal stakes (just starting on these boards), but you had $40 in front of you. that was your max burn. from your other posts that seems relatively comfortable for you to lose. therefore, you are going to pay off the one hand that beats you if he has it. i would have pushed preflop and that way you get to see all five for free!! :^)

i go in 100% of the time with those circumstances unless the guy SHOWS me AA even without knowing anything else. $40,000 in front of me and that may change things....

even if you go with your original stragegy of the stop and go, it is still valid. if he hit a 9, good on ya... i actually like to see a pair on the flop for a stop and go, heh.

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Old 06-08-2006, 08:25 AM #4 (permalink)  
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Well played!
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Old 06-08-2006, 08:32 AM #5 (permalink)  
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 you can checkfold this flop sometimes against very tight players

other than that just push preflop.
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Old 06-08-2006, 09:46 AM     Post subject: Re: KK: Should i fold this preflop? #6 (permalink)  
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Looks good to me although I would keep on raising preflop against most opponents and sethunt against the others.

You do have one pretty obvious leak though.


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Originally Posted by apunisher
AATrain01: i want u to keep betting with just 3 outs to beat me
AATrain01: noob
Dont tap the glass.

If someone thinks I suck Im happy to keep it that way. If someone is giving me free advertising to the rest of the table then even better. If you start defending yourself like this you lose that free image and you might even inspire someone to get better.
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Old 06-08-2006, 11:06 AM     Post subject: Re: KK: Should i fold this preflop? #7 (permalink)  
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Looks good to me although I would keep on raising preflop against most opponents and sethunt against the others.

You do have one pretty obvious leak though.


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Originally Posted by apunisher
AATrain01: i want u to keep betting with just 3 outs to beat me
AATrain01: noob
Dont tap the glass.

If someone thinks I suck Im happy to keep it that way. If someone is giving me free advertising to the rest of the table then even better. If you start defending yourself like this you lose that free image and you might even inspire someone to get better.
ur right, shouldn't have done that, and i don't usually. Two other questions, does the fact that this is 50NL make it more likely for you to push? What other hands would min reraise me like that? QQ, KK, Ak? Not sure.
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Old 06-08-2006, 04:03 PM     Post subject: Re: KK: Should i fold this preflop? #8 (permalink)  
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Two other questions, does the fact that this is 50NL make it more likely for you to push? What other hands would min reraise me like that? QQ, KK, Ak? Not sure.
50NL makes it less likely that ill push since people are less likely to call with AK or even AQo like they might do at lower stakes. Im more likely to just make a normal reraise because so many people will call for a set with QQ and then get stacked on a low flop anyway.
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